"Thorsten Froehlich" <tho### [at] trfde> wrote in
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> In article <web.3e5e38438feffecd4a47b6380@news.povray.org> , "Brian" 
> <brl### [at] smcmedu> wrote:
> 
>> I am writing an program that generates POV files, then I want a
>> seperate thread to call POV-ray to render the files.  The problem is,
>> when I call POV-ray from the program with the right command line
>> parameters, it loads the splash screen and the text editor with the
>> file I want rendered open waiting for the user.  Is there a way of
>> calling POV-ray where is just pops up to render the file, or even
>> just renders the file in the background, and saves output to a file?
> 
> This is the wrong group to ask this question.  I assume you are
> talking about the Windows version, and for that it has been explained
> several times in the past few month in povray.windows.  Just go
> through the list of posts there.
> 
>     Thorsten
> 

This has become a frequent request. There have been several custom 
compliles of a console mode version for windows, and at least one gui 
extension.  Would the team consider providing a official console mode 
version with the next bugfix release?  Follow ups set to povray.windows

Thanks
Tom

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You could also install cygwin and use Christoph Hormann's povcyg.

George


"Tom Galvin" <tom### [at] imporg> wrote in message
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> "Thorsten Froehlich" <tho### [at] trfde> wrote in
> news:3e5e415f@news.povray.org:
>
> > In article <web.3e5e38438feffecd4a47b6380@news.povray.org> , "Brian"
> > <brl### [at] smcmedu> wrote:
> >
> >> I am writing an program that generates POV files, then I want a
> >> seperate thread to call POV-ray to render the files.  The problem is,
> >> when I call POV-ray from the program with the right command line
> >> parameters, it loads the splash screen and the text editor with the
> >> file I want rendered open waiting for the user.  Is there a way of
> >> calling POV-ray where is just pops up to render the file, or even
> >> just renders the file in the background, and saves output to a file?
> >
> > This is the wrong group to ask this question.  I assume you are
> > talking about the Windows version, and for that it has been explained
> > several times in the past few month in povray.windows.  Just go
> > through the list of posts there.
> >
> >     Thorsten
> >
>
> This has become a frequent request. There have been several custom
> compliles of a console mode version for windows, and at least one gui
> extension.  Would the team consider providing a official console mode
> version with the next bugfix release?  Follow ups set to povray.windows
>
> Thanks
> Tom
>
>

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Tom Galvin wrote:
> 
> This has become a frequent request. There have been several custom
> compliles of a console mode version for windows, and at least one gui
> extension.  Would the team consider providing a official console mode
> version with the next bugfix release?  Follow ups set to povray.windows

There is a windows console version available on my site:

http://www-public.tu-bs.de:8080/~y0013390/povcyg/index.html

This should run straight away on any 32 bit Windows system.  It of course
requires the user to know how to invoke POV-Ray at the command line but
that's a different problem... ;-).

Christoph

-- 
POV-Ray tutorials, include files, Sim-POV,
HCR-Edit and more: http://www.tu-bs.de/~y0013390/
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Christoph Hormann <chr### [at] gmxde> wrote in 
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> There is a windows console version available on my site:
> 
> http://www-public.tu-bs.de:8080/~y0013390/povcyg/index.html
> 
> 
> Christoph
> 

Yours was one of the custom compiles I was referring to.  A very nice job 
by the way.  However there are times when you prefer to use the "official 
version" for various reason that have been mentioned on this server before.

Tom

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In article <Xns### [at] 204213191226> , Tom Galvin 
<tom### [at] imporg>  wrote:

> This has become a frequent request. There have been several custom
> compliles of a console mode version for windows, and at least one gui
> extension.  Would the team consider providing a official console mode
> version with the next bugfix release?  Follow ups set to povray.windows

Well, while it isn't my decision (for Windows), I think it isn't a good idea
to provide this as an official version.  It far too easily opens the door to
abuse, and those few who say they need it most of the time don't really know
why they _don't_ need it.  They simply didn't read in the manual carefully
enough to know how to achieve 99% of what they want with the GUI version
only version already.

    Thorsten

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"Thorsten Froehlich" <tho### [at] trfde> wrote in message
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> It far too easily opens the door to
> abuse

Given the source is available, any serious abuser (i.e. someone with something
to actually gain from it) has the keys to that door already. I'm not
disagreeing - cutting a key and coming across an open door are not the same
thing - but as a general principal, making things awkward for all whilst not
actually preventing the behaviour you're trying to prohibit has little to
recommend it.

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Thanks everyone for your help

Brian

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"Thorsten Froehlich" <tho### [at] trfde> wrote:
>
> It far too easily opens the door to
> abuse

How's that?

> and those few who say they need it most of the time don't really
> know why they _don't_ need it.  They simply didn't read in the
> manual carefully enough to know <>

Would you some day believe that it is you who don't know something?

I, for one, am *bound* to use my own heavily modified custom console Win32
version of POV-Ray for 100% of my work. And each time the POV-Team releases
new version, I have to start with UNIX version (historically, so to say; in
1996, I tried both Windows and UNIX versions as base and liked the latter
more; so it stuck) instead of just applying patches to "official" Win32
console version. I cannot speak for others, but I can assure you that I,
personally, cannot just "read the manual carefully" and find out all my
extensions there.

You may have a 1000 of good reasons not to release a Win32 console version.
You may have no extra time, or you may just dislike the very idea, for
whatever reason. You don't even have to reply to the requests, at all. But
if you do so, please spare "those few who need it" your usual arrogance.

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"Thorsten Froehlich" <tho### [at] trfde> wrote in
news:3e5e81d5@news.povray.org: 

> Well, while it isn't my decision (for Windows), I think it isn't a
> good idea to provide this as an official version.  It far too easily
> opens the door to abuse, and those few who say they need it most of
> the time don't really know why they _don't_ need it.  They simply
> didn't read in the manual carefully enough to know how to achieve 99%
> of what they want with the GUI version only version already.
> 
>     Thorsten
> 


IMHO, and based on the postings on this server, I think that for the most 
part the folks asking for this have read the docs, and they want to be able 
to "externally" automate the render process when creating animations.  
There are no intentions of abuse, just trying to make animation easier and 
more flexible.  Currently there are just four options available.

1) Use a custom compile
2) Write a GUI-extension
3) Shell-out to Operating System
4) run pvengine.exe with /exit

Each has it's drawbacks.

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In article <Xns### [at] 204213191226> , Tom Galvin 
<tom### [at] imporg>  wrote:

> 4) run pvengine.exe with /exit
>
> Each has it's drawbacks.

Using a command-line version is exactly the same.  It is not like the
command-line version will continue to run after the render finished!  So the
difference is essentially zero.

    Thorsten

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e-mail: tho### [at] trfde

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