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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Future implementations of Poseray. A wish list
Date: 18 Oct 2009 08:32:56
Message: <4adad2b8@news.povray.org>
I have made a small list of features I would like to see implemented in a 
future version of Poseray. These features are derived from cases met in the 
use of Poseray, in combination with Poser and/or external modellers.



1 Naming a POV-Ray export of merged meshes



After using the "Merge 3D model..." command under "Load...", the exported 
(merged) object to POV-Ray should have a specific name. Presently, the name 
given in the "Model assembly from the meshes" section of the 
xxx_POV_geom.inc file, is derived from the *last* of the merged object. 
Example of what is exported now:



//Model assembly from the meshes

#declare MyObject_Third_=

object{ MyObject _ Third _First_  material{First_} hollow}

object{ MyObject _ Third _Second_  material{Second_} hollow}

object{ MyObject _ Third _Third_  material{Third_} hollow}

}



This should either be declaring the name MyObject_ or a name given through a 
selection box. The result should then be either:



//Model assembly from the meshes

#declare MyObject_=

object{ MyObject _First_  material{First_} hollow}

object{ MyObject _Second_  material{Second_} hollow}

object{ MyObject _Third_  material{Third_} hollow}

}



or, with a name given separately:



//Model assembly from the meshes

#declare MyMergedObject_=

object{ MyObject _First_  material{First_} hollow}

object{ MyObject _Second_  material{Second_} hollow}

object{ MyObject _Third_  material{Third_} hollow}

}





2 Saving uv transformations in the Materials section



It is sometimes necessary to, e.g. scale up or down the uv of a material in 
order to better fit it to the mesh. This can be done in Poser too, however 
the result is not exported/imported into Poseray, so additional 
transformation on the uv is needed there. Like the other material 
parameters, it would be important to be able to save these transformations 
to file for future use, preferably into the same xxx_material_settings.mtl 
file.





3 Showing (and using) the origin of the object in the Preview window



The origin of the object should be visible in the Preview window (three 
axis). This origin may not be identical to the World origin, so both should 
be visible. Note that this is not identical to the orientation axis already 
visible which is not related to the origin itself. In addition, a 
possibility to translate the object towards the World origin, if necessary, 
could be considered.



-- 
All the best,

Thomas


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Future implementations of Poseray. A wish list
Date: 18 Oct 2009 09:14:39
Message: <4adadc7f$1@news.povray.org>
Thomas de Groot wrote:
> I have made a small list of features I would like to see implemented in a 
> future version of Poseray. These features are derived from cases met in the 
> use of Poseray, in combination with Poser and/or external modellers.
> 
> 
> 
> 2 Saving uv transformations in the Materials section
> 
> 
> 
> It is sometimes necessary to, e.g. scale up or down the uv of a material in 
> order to better fit it to the mesh. This can be done in Poser too, however 
> the result is not exported/imported into Poseray, so additional 
> transformation on the uv is needed there. Like the other material 
> parameters, it would be important to be able to save these transformations 
> to file for future use, preferably into the same xxx_material_settings.mtl 
> file.


I support your wish list, Thomas. I hope that you have submitted it to 
FlyerX :-)

Your second point is interesting. I have been complaining that Bishop3D 
actually imports the complete PoseRay generated meshes into the scene. 
While Moray uses the UDO in the scene and the full mesh and materials 
are only included. One advantage of this is, in B3D, that you can edit 
the mesh materials directly and it is saved in the Bishop3D file for 
exporting.


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Best Regards,
	Stephen


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From: FlyerX
Subject: Re: Future implementations of Poseray. A wish list
Date: 18 Oct 2009 09:15:07
Message: <4adadc9b@news.povray.org>
Thomas de Groot wrote:
> I have made a small list of features I would like to see implemented in a 
> future version of Poseray. These features are derived from cases met in the 
> use of Poseray, in combination with Poser and/or external modellers.
> 
> 
> 
> 1 Naming a POV-Ray export of merged meshes
PoseRay exports the mesh by default by material. PoseRay does keep the 
groups and materials separate when merging a mesh by adding a number at 
the end of the material or group name if it already exists. I could 
create a higher level entity (object) for each mesh read. That way the 
merged meshes could be kept separate with their own materials. Like this 
for 3 meshes with 2, 4 and 3 materials respectively:

//in the geometry file...
#declare object1=
union{
object(object1_material1 material{material1} hollow}
object(object1_material2 material{material2} hollow}
}

#declare object2=
union{
object(object2_material4 material{material3} hollow}
object(object2_material5 material{material4} hollow}
object(object2_material6 material{material5} hollow}
object(object2_material6 material{material6} hollow}
}

#declare object3=
union{
object(object3_material7 material{material7} hollow}
object(object3_material8 material{material8} hollow}
object(object3_material9 material{material9} hollow}
}


//in the scene file...
object{object1}
object{object2}
object{object3}

if only a mesh is exported then the exported files would look as they do 
now. For those wondering why hollow is because it allows media to work 
inside the mesh.


> 
> 2 Saving uv transformations in the Materials section

I will look into the U and V scale, offset and mirror for image_map 
entries in the Poser materials. I have Poser 6 so I cannot test it for 
later versions but I doubt it will change.

> 
> 3 Showing (and using) the origin of the object in the Preview window
> 

Relatively easy to do and could be toggled.


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Future implementations of Poseray. A wish list
Date: 18 Oct 2009 11:36:16
Message: <4adafdb0@news.povray.org>
"FlyerX" <fly### [at] yahoocom> schreef in bericht 
news:4adadc9b@news.povray.org...

> PoseRay exports the mesh by default by material. PoseRay does keep the 
> groups and materials separate when merging a mesh by adding a number at 
> the end of the material or group name if it already exists. I could create 
> a higher level entity (object) for each mesh read. That way the merged 
> meshes could be kept separate with their own materials. Like this for 3 
> meshes with 2, 4 and 3 materials respectively:

Yes, that would answer my question to satisfaction.

>
> I will look into the U and V scale, offset and mirror for image_map 
> entries in the Poser materials. I have Poser 6 so I cannot test it for 
> later versions but I doubt it will change.

I think those have not changed. I have Poser 8 so I can test it for you.


>> 3 Showing (and using) the origin of the object in the Preview window
>
> Relatively easy to do and could be toggled.

Thank you! Neat!

Thomas


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Future implementations of Poseray. A wish list
Date: 18 Oct 2009 11:52:12
Message: <4adb016c$1@news.povray.org>
"Stephen" <mca### [at] aolDOTcom> schreef in bericht 
news:4adadc7f$1@news.povray.org...
> I support your wish list, Thomas. I hope that you have submitted it to 
> FlyerX :-)

Well, FlyerX found it here already :-)
I wanted to post the list here so that people could comment and/or add their 
own wishes (if any).

>
> Your second point is interesting. I have been complaining that Bishop3D 
> actually imports the complete PoseRay generated meshes into the scene. 
> While Moray uses the UDO in the scene and the full mesh and materials are 
> only included. One advantage of this is, in B3D, that you can edit the 
> mesh materials directly and it is saved in the Bishop3D file for 
> exporting.

In that regard, Moray is lacking in functionality, but we knew that already 
:-)  Moray 4.0 will overcome all that ;-)
My motives in my second point are: first the possibility to transform the uv 
one way or another: basically in Poser and export those settings to Poseray 
and beyond; secondarily, doing this in Poseray and save those 
transformations in the settings mtl file; as a last resort doing 
transformations directly into the POV-Ray material file which is much less 
elegant although giving similar results. The first and second options are my 
favourite ones
and need some further implementation in Poseray to become powerful tools.

Thomas


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Future implementations of Poseray. A wish list
Date: 18 Oct 2009 16:23:48
Message: <4adb4114@news.povray.org>
FlyerX schrieb:
> Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> I have made a small list of features I would like to see implemented 
>> in a future version of Poseray. These features are derived from cases 
>> met in the use of Poseray, in combination with Poser and/or external 
>> modellers.
>>
>>
>>
>> 1 Naming a POV-Ray export of merged meshes

I would like to add to this request:

 From what I see, the output file names are generated from the input 
file names as well, and therefore do depend on the oder in which meshes 
are added to the merger.


Another thing:

For me, it would often be desirable to export geometry only, and keep 
the material export "unharmed", so I can change the pose of a figure 
without having to re-do all the changes to the materials again. (I 
prefer to edit them after export.)


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From: FlyerX
Subject: Re: Future implementations of Poseray. A wish list
Date: 19 Oct 2009 02:25:16
Message: <4adbce0c$1@news.povray.org>
clipka wrote:
> FlyerX schrieb:
>> Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>> I have made a small list of features I would like to see implemented 
>>> in a future version of Poseray. These features are derived from cases 
>>> met in the use of Poseray, in combination with Poser and/or external 
>>> modellers.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1 Naming a POV-Ray export of merged meshes
> 
> I would like to add to this request:
> 
>  From what I see, the output file names are generated from the input 
> file names as well, and therefore do depend on the oder in which meshes 
> are added to the merger.
> 
> 
> Another thing:
> 
> For me, it would often be desirable to export geometry only, and keep 
> the material export "unharmed", so I can change the pose of a figure 
> without having to re-do all the changes to the materials again. (I 
> prefer to edit them after export.)

I have received a couple of messages recently about the lack of control 
on the names for the POV scene. I will implement the names and flags for 
the exported POV files. I removed this from an earlier version because 
of clutter.

FlyerX


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Future implementations of Poseray. A wish list
Date: 19 Oct 2009 07:23:48
Message: <4adc1404$1@news.povray.org>
FlyerX wrote:

>> Another thing:
>>
>> For me, it would often be desirable to export geometry only, and keep 
>> the material export "unharmed", so I can change the pose of a figure 
>> without having to re-do all the changes to the materials again. (I 
>> prefer to edit them after export.)
> 
> I have received a couple of messages recently about the lack of control 
> on the names for the POV scene. I will implement the names and flags for 
> the exported POV files. I removed this from an earlier version because 
> of clutter.
> 
> FlyerX

Hi FlyerX,
	Unrelated but could you make an option to remove the confirmation popup 
asking if you are sure that you really want to close when you ask 
PoseRay to exit?
It is a very small thing but I find it quite irritating :)


-- 

Best Regards,
	Stephen


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From: FlyerX
Subject: Re: Future implementations of Poseray. A wish list
Date: 19 Oct 2009 07:49:12
Message: <4adc19f8$1@news.povray.org>
Stephen wrote:
> FlyerX wrote:
> 
>>> Another thing:
>>>
>>> For me, it would often be desirable to export geometry only, and keep 
>>> the material export "unharmed", so I can change the pose of a figure 
>>> without having to re-do all the changes to the materials again. (I 
>>> prefer to edit them after export.)
>>
>> I have received a couple of messages recently about the lack of 
>> control on the names for the POV scene. I will implement the names and 
>> flags for the exported POV files. I removed this from an earlier 
>> version because of clutter.
>>
>> FlyerX
> 
> Hi FlyerX,
>     Unrelated but could you make an option to remove the confirmation 
> popup asking if you are sure that you really want to close when you ask 
> PoseRay to exit?
> It is a very small thing but I find it quite irritating :)
> 
> 

I put that in because I lost many scenes by closing the program by 
mistake while thinking I was closing another window. Not a problem... I 
can put that optional.

FlyerX


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Future implementations of Poseray. A wish list - an additional wish
Date: 2 Nov 2009 15:31:33
Message: <4aeefb55@news.povray.org>
If, when saving a figure to POV-Ray, one changes the file name, this name 
should also be changed accordingly at the declared figure name, within the 
xxx_POV_geom.inc.

Thus, an original Poser figure *Beggar*, saved under the file name: 
Beggar2_POV_geom.inc

should contain:

//Model assembly from the meshes
#declare Beggar2_=
union {
.....
}

instead of:

//Model assembly from the meshes
#declare Beggar_=
union {
.....
}

as happens under the present version of Poseray.

Thomas


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