"alphaQuad" <alp### [at] earthlinknet> wrote:
> REAL medicine is illegal and poison is prescribed instead.

so, legal poison is bad and street poison is good for your health.  Is that your
point?

Crack and heroine don't exactly make their (ab)users much good.  And being
constantly stoned by marijuana will not exactly do much good for your career,
unless you're a popstar and need it to get all creative in a snap...

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On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:07:32 -0500, nemesis wrote:

> Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
>> The shooter is not blameless in this.  But our societal norm these days
>> is that the individual bears NO responsibility at all for anything they
>> do.  That's just wrong.
> 
> 100% agreed.  It's always the drugs, the immaturity, the exposure to
> violent games, the clichéd abusive parents in the criminal childhood. 
> One is never to blame for his actions on his own.

And that's more or less my point.

At some point, that person *decided* to pick up a gun and start shooting 
people.

Similarly, at some point, Andrea Yates *decided* to drown her kids.

Those people need to be held accountable for their actions.

Jim

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Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
  It's too easy to
> dismiss picketers as the lunatic fringe and not representative of what
> the public really thinks.


unless everyone was there, heh.
See I knew I liked Jim

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On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 23:09:47 +0100, Fredrik Eriksson wrote:

>> come on people I know there is a brain in there somewhere
> 
> I realise that you are trying to insult my intelligence here, but
> perhaps you should question your own as well. Seriously, how do you
> think it will help your cause to send an outright insulting letter to
> major media corporations as well as several senators, including
> perhaps-soon-president Obama? Not just one copy either, but *everyone*
> should send one lest they be considered "also part of the problem".
> 
> If you want to affect some real change, start by treating those you
> address with some respect. Perhaps then they will feel inclined to
> actually listen. Until then, *you* are part of the problem.

Well said, Fredrik.

Jim

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On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:17:25 -0500, alphaQuad wrote:

> Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
>   It's too easy to
>> dismiss picketers as the lunatic fringe and not representative of what
>> the public really thinks.
> 
> 
> unless everyone was there, heh.

If everyone's *there* picketing, then nobody is doing the things that 
will really effect change.  Pickets are not effecting *change*, they're 
what the powerless do when they feel they have to do something but don't 
know what.

> See I knew I liked Jim

I'm not quite sure how to take that.

Jim

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Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> Fact:  There are always going to be people who abuse freedom.

it's just that there seem to have been a lot more of those lately.  I'm not
aware of many shooting incidents in school in the 50's of something.  While
surely there was a lot of shooting in the Old West or Chicago in the 20's, this
happened outside of schools.

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On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:22:06 -0500, nemesis wrote:

> Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
>> Fact:  There are always going to be people who abuse freedom.
> 
> it's just that there seem to have been a lot more of those lately.  I'm
> not aware of many shooting incidents in school in the 50's of something.
>  While surely there was a lot of shooting in the Old West or Chicago in
> the 20's, this happened outside of schools.

I don't know that there is any more or less than there used to be, but 
there certainly is more media coverage of these terrible events.

Jim

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Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:

> It's too easy to
> dismiss picketers as the lunatic fringe and not representative of what
> the public really thinks.


Looks like to me like something other than a lunatic fringe.

I really hope that this makes us all think, and think again.

aQ

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"nemesis" <nam### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> "alphaQuad" <alp### [at] earthlinknet> wrote:
> > REAL medicine is illegal and poison is prescribed instead.
>
> so, legal poison is bad and street poison is good for your health.  Is that your
> point?
>
> Crack and heroine don't exactly make their (ab)users much good.  And being
> constantly stoned by marijuana will not exactly do much good for your career,
> unless you're a popstar and need it to get all creative in a snap...


ok now you make me want to give up. But I wont cause I care.

When these real meds are taken as medicine for a particular ailment, it treats
and is no longer needed. They dont do damage to the nervous system, even if
taken your whole life, in the scope that sulfides and fluorides do damage.

There is a big difference. It is only pharmaceutical profit motive that keeps
real meds illegal.

If you are not sick, dont take meds; ya think? If taken for other than illness,
when they are needed they wont work as effectively. Just dont get sick. Or at
least dont expect medicine from an AMA doctor.

"abusers" of drugs = those poor drugs are being abused. SAVE OUR DRUGS!
Self-abuse maybe but that is a very, VERY small portion of reality. Think now
think.

What did we do before republicans, prohibition and profit motive. Did we destroy
oursevles. No. Did we have a war on natural herbs and try to irradicate? NO.

We smoked and ate to our hearts content. I bet we were much happier also.

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I should have added that prohibition has created the street wars and the
increased use.

In states with medical marijuana legislation, teen use has declined.

This is the adolescent thought:

"If this is for sick people, if I took this stuff it would mean I am sick or
might make me sick." Or several other thought processes has done one thing,
Help kids make better decisions for their selves.


I did say do your reasearch first. There is law enforcement against prohibition;
a link on that page. There you will get a first hand account of what the drug
war is really about, the most destructive policy since Hitler of slavery.

Peace out,
aQ

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