On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 22:09:57 +0100, alphaQuad  
<alp### [at] earthlinknet> wrote:
> that was the letter to media

They are still your words, are they not?


> and you left out what to do.
>
> find out what he had been given and report your findings.
> written to the media ...

[From the original post, also in the "letter to media" part:]
"Do this or you become partially responsible for all future shootings."

So unless they (i.e. the media, and also a few senators) follow your  
orders, they are responsible for the acts of murderers?


> come on people I know there is a brain in there
> somewhere

I realise that you are trying to insult my intelligence here, but perhaps  
you should question your own as well. Seriously, how do you think it will  
help your cause to send an outright insulting letter to major media  
corporations as well as several senators, including perhaps-soon-president  
Obama? Not just one copy either, but *everyone* should send one lest they  
be considered "also part of the problem".

If you want to affect some real change, start by treating those you  
address with some respect. Perhaps then they will feel inclined to  
actually listen. Until then, *you* are part of the problem.


-- 
FE

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Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> The shooter is not blameless in this.  But our societal norm these days
> is that the individual bears NO responsibility at all for anything they
> do.  That's just wrong.

100% agreed.  It's always the drugs, the immaturity, the exposure to violent

blame for his actions on his own.

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"nemesis" <nam### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> > it's NOBODY'S fault but the SHOOTER'S.
>
> yes, it's nobody's fault that a fucktwit can buy guns and get stoned to death
> and start shooting people.  It's not his parents' fault, nor his neighbors' and
> colleagues' fault, nor it is fault of the society he's been raised in.  Let
> alone the government permitting fucktwits to buy legal drugs and guns is at
> fault here.

Apparently you havent had the chance to take these poisons. DONT EVER!

>
> The only one at fault is the crazy bastard.  Which should be in some Mental
> Institution or in prison, but wasn't.  Collecting guns and taking heavy
> medicine is never going to work, you know...

um ... geeze ... that is the norm of concensus.

The mentally ill get incarceration, neglect and brain lesions, not treatment.
Because real meds cannot be presribed even if the doc had a heart.

Prison is punishment. Punishment never did one bit of good, EVER! The induced
pain and emotional trauma does one thing. It hardens a resolve to resist a lame
ignorant authority. It becomes a revolving door. People get hurt, he gets
punished and released bringing all that induced rage with him to dump . People
get hurt, he gets punished and released.

But deal with the original issue creatively rather than destructively and you
have, what? Rehabilitation.

aQ

God, people are really in need of your wisdom. I just want to help and do the
right thing. If only everyone ...

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"alphaQuad" <alp### [at] earthlinknet> wrote:
> REAL medicine is illegal and poison is prescribed instead.

so, legal poison is bad and street poison is good for your health.  Is that your
point?

Crack and heroine don't exactly make their (ab)users much good.  And being
constantly stoned by marijuana will not exactly do much good for your career,
unless you're a popstar and need it to get all creative in a snap...

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On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:07:32 -0500, nemesis wrote:

> Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
>> The shooter is not blameless in this.  But our societal norm these days
>> is that the individual bears NO responsibility at all for anything they
>> do.  That's just wrong.
> 
> 100% agreed.  It's always the drugs, the immaturity, the exposure to
> violent games, the clichéd abusive parents in the criminal childhood. 
> One is never to blame for his actions on his own.

And that's more or less my point.

At some point, that person *decided* to pick up a gun and start shooting 
people.

Similarly, at some point, Andrea Yates *decided* to drown her kids.

Those people need to be held accountable for their actions.

Jim

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Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
  It's too easy to
> dismiss picketers as the lunatic fringe and not representative of what
> the public really thinks.


unless everyone was there, heh.
See I knew I liked Jim

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On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 23:09:47 +0100, Fredrik Eriksson wrote:

>> come on people I know there is a brain in there somewhere
> 
> I realise that you are trying to insult my intelligence here, but
> perhaps you should question your own as well. Seriously, how do you
> think it will help your cause to send an outright insulting letter to
> major media corporations as well as several senators, including
> perhaps-soon-president Obama? Not just one copy either, but *everyone*
> should send one lest they be considered "also part of the problem".
> 
> If you want to affect some real change, start by treating those you
> address with some respect. Perhaps then they will feel inclined to
> actually listen. Until then, *you* are part of the problem.

Well said, Fredrik.

Jim

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On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:17:25 -0500, alphaQuad wrote:

> Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
>   It's too easy to
>> dismiss picketers as the lunatic fringe and not representative of what
>> the public really thinks.
> 
> 
> unless everyone was there, heh.

If everyone's *there* picketing, then nobody is doing the things that 
will really effect change.  Pickets are not effecting *change*, they're 
what the powerless do when they feel they have to do something but don't 
know what.

> See I knew I liked Jim

I'm not quite sure how to take that.

Jim

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Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> Fact:  There are always going to be people who abuse freedom.

it's just that there seem to have been a lot more of those lately.  I'm not
aware of many shooting incidents in school in the 50's of something.  While
surely there was a lot of shooting in the Old West or Chicago in the 20's, this
happened outside of schools.

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On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:22:06 -0500, nemesis wrote:

> Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
>> Fact:  There are always going to be people who abuse freedom.
> 
> it's just that there seem to have been a lot more of those lately.  I'm
> not aware of many shooting incidents in school in the 50's of something.
>  While surely there was a lot of shooting in the Old West or Chicago in
> the 20's, this happened outside of schools.

I don't know that there is any more or less than there used to be, but 
there certainly is more media coverage of these terrible events.

Jim

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