On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 16:59:29 +0000, Phil Cook wrote:

> And lo on Tue, 19 Feb 2008 16:12:27 -0000, Jim Henderson
> <nos### [at] nospamcom> did spake, saying:
> 
>> On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 11:15:29 +0000, Phil Cook wrote:
>>
>>> And lo on Mon, 18 Feb 2008 18:27:10 -0000, Jim Henderson
>>> <nos### [at] nospamcom> did spake, saying:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 14:44:20 +0000, Phil Cook wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Parents purchase guns, parents don't lock them up properly.  Kid
>>>>>> gets the gun.
>>>>>
>>>>> Except if the purpose of the gun is home defence doesn't locking it
>>>>> up defeat part of the objective?
>>>>
>>>> Well, you would think so.  At least that's the argument that some
>>>> people make. Child safety locks are another option as well.
>>>
>>> You mean like those child-proof containers you have to get your
>>> neighbour's 11-year old to open for you :-P Seriously though shouldn't
>>> a safety catch be enough?
>>
>> You'd think so, of course some also argue that taking the safety off
>> takes time as well, and that time could be the difference between life
>> and death.
>>
>> But no, the safety locks aren't quite like a safety cap on medication
>> containers.
> 
> No of course, but having a safety lock and a child lock; hey why not
> just lock it away in a gun cabinet :-P

I'm good with that.

>>>> And of course storing the gun unloaded is probably a wise move as
>>>> well.
>>>
>>> Which again defeats the purpose of a home defence weapon. If it's not
>>> accessible and easy to use what's the point in having one? You might
>>> as well stick to keeping a baseball bat by the side of the bed.
>>
>> I've got a sharp pointy weapon within easy reach should it be needed.
> 
> I've an umbrella... which sounds kind of dumb until I demonstrate its
> four-foot reach and 3-inch blunted spike on the end :-)

I've got one like that as well.  The sharp pointy weapon is an antique, 
but it's still quite sharp.  I wouldn't want to get the blade stained 
(nor would my wife, as it's hers) if we could possibly avoid it, but it 
would certainly be effective at close range.

We have had occasion to "clear" the house using a couple of them, 
actually - came home and found we'd left the back door unlocked, and 
*thought* we heard a noise in the basement.  Plenty of doorways to hide 
behind, and the basement was clear (so all's well that ends well).

Jim

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"Jim Henderson" <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote in message
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> Watch out for dihydrogen monoxide while you're at it.  That crap can kill
> you.

Don't forget about the chloride ions while you're at it. After all, Chlorine
is a chemical warfare agent.

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On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 22:09:15 +0200, Gail Shaw wrote:

> "Jim Henderson" <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote in message
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>> Watch out for dihydrogen monoxide while you're at it.  That crap can
>> kill you.
> 
> Don't forget about the chloride ions while you're at it. After all,
> Chlorine is a chemical warfare agent.

Ah, yes, that's true.  Also, CO2 is a silent killer.  Nasty stuff, we 
should get rid of all of that as well.

In fact, we should also stop eating broccoli.  That contains some of the 
elements used in mustard gas, after all.  So it must also be bad for you.

:-)

Jim

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Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 22:09:15 +0200, Gail Shaw wrote:
> 
>> "Jim Henderson" <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote in message
>> news:47bb0130$1@news.povray.org...
>>> Watch out for dihydrogen monoxide while you're at it.  That crap can
>>> kill you.
>> Don't forget about the chloride ions while you're at it. After all,
>> Chlorine is a chemical warfare agent.
> 
> Ah, yes, that's true.  Also, CO2 is a silent killer.  Nasty stuff, we 
> should get rid of all of that as well.
> 
> In fact, we should also stop eating broccoli.  That contains some of the 
> elements used in mustard gas, after all.  So it must also be bad for you.

And milk has radioactive potassium in it. What if all that potassium
combined with the salt you had in your meal, and forms KCl? People
really need to be warned.

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On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:36:07 -0500, Sabrina Kilian wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 22:09:15 +0200, Gail Shaw wrote:
>> 
>>> "Jim Henderson" <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote in message
>>> news:47bb0130$1@news.povray.org...
>>>> Watch out for dihydrogen monoxide while you're at it.  That crap can
>>>> kill you.
>>> Don't forget about the chloride ions while you're at it. After all,
>>> Chlorine is a chemical warfare agent.
>> 
>> Ah, yes, that's true.  Also, CO2 is a silent killer.  Nasty stuff, we
>> should get rid of all of that as well.
>> 
>> In fact, we should also stop eating broccoli.  That contains some of
>> the elements used in mustard gas, after all.  So it must also be bad
>> for you.
> 
> And milk has radioactive potassium in it. What if all that potassium
> combined with the salt you had in your meal, and forms KCl? People
> really need to be warned.

Oh, and solar radiation kills.  It causes cancer.  We'd better block out 
the sun.

Seafood is supposed to be good for you, but I hear it has trace levels of 
mercury in it.  Isn't mercury bad for you?

Jim

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On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 16:59:29 -0000, "Phil Cook"
<phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:

>
>I've an umbrella... which sounds kind of dumb until I demonstrate its  
>four-foot reach and 3-inch blunted spike on the end :-)

My name is Steed, John Steed :)

Regards
	Stephen

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scott wrote:
>> As Sabrina says some of them are over-17, but for the under's I'll be
>> betting on a family gun or some such. Was it Michael Moore who pointed
>> out that the majority of guns 'on the streets' in America were stolen
>> from those who purchased them legally.
> 
> I heard a lot of Americans say that they own (and sometimes carry) a gun
> to protect themselves.  But in reality, when an attacker starts
> shooting, how many members of the public are really going to get out
> their gun and try to battle with the attacker?  And do they propose that
> children carry guns too to protect themselves?
> 
> 

When the media talks to gun owners, they always pick the extremists and
make them look normal.

The only information I could find with a quick google search was
http://blogostuff.blogspot.com/2004/12/percentage-of-adults-with-carry.html
listing the % of people with concealed carry permits in each state that
issues them. Given that New York and California do not generally issue
CCW permits, and weighting the other percentages by the state
population, I suspect the number of people who do carry concealed
weapons is much lower then it seems. (South Dakota population is listed
around 800,000, Virginia around 7.7 million, and Texas almost 24 million
people.) And just because someone has a concealed carry permit doesn't
mean they carry one all the time.

As for why they don't turn the situation into a movie scene, I think the
reason they get a CC permit explains that. If they wanted to carry a
weapon just to defend them self, without any regard for anyone around
them, they probably wouldn't get a permit to begin with. The people who
do have a permit aren't the Rambo types. Around here, there is the joke
that people with CC permits spend more time on the shooting range then
some of the local police (joke told by a friend who was getting a CC
permit, not by a cop).

Lastly, I've never heard anyone saying kids should carry guns to protect
them self. I've known kids who go hunting, and know how to carry a rifle
or shotgun safely, but even their parent's wouldn't suggest arming the
child just to get to school.

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On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 14:17:07 -0000, "Phil Cook"
<phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:

>> I just think that it is all lies, lies and dammed lies.
>
>Though occasionally they throw in some statistics for honesty's sake.
>
Only because they fit.

>> But then I'm bitter and twisted.
>
>Who isn't? Bitter, twisted, and angry... I should move to the US so I can  
>buy a gun.
>
>'Reason for purchase: To show them, to show them all Hahahahahahaa.'

You can get arrested for that you know :)

Regards
	Stephen

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On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 09:28:27 -0500, Tim Cook <z99### [at] gmailcom> wrote:

>Stephen wrote:
>> Everything will be OK if you remember to keep taking your dried frog pills. :)
>
>Mmm, dried frog pills... *drool*
>
>Hey wait.  The dried ones?  Thats not nearly as fun as licking live ones.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dried_frog_pills

As if you didn't know :)

Regards
	Stephen

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On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 14:07:33 -0000, "Phil Cook"
<phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:

>And lo on Tue, 19 Feb 2008 13:14:19 -0000, Stephen <mcavoysATaolDOTcom>  
>did spake, saying:
>
>> On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 11:07:43 -0000, "Phil Cook"
>> <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
>>
>>> Switch to covert operations and deploy NASCAR caps and banjos, repeat
>>> deploy banjos.
>>
>> Please clarify, Banjos?
>
>Confirmed, integrate and ridicule. Big foam hands are on standby.
>

http://www.geocities.com/bagpipertom/BanjoBreakdown_jig.mp3

>> BTW Did you hear about the Radio Operators daughter?
>> She only didit cause her Da Da didit.
>
>Groan.
>
I remember telling that joke in a burning building to a fireman. It was the one
that got us out of there. (True but a bit twisted)

Regards
	Stephen

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