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On 09/02/2011 4:43 PM, Invisible wrote:
> On 09/02/2011 04:09 PM, Darren New wrote:
>> Invisible wrote:
>>>> Oh man, that's expensive! ;-)
>>
>> Hopefully you realize that each of these costs probably less than a
>> week's salary of the person using it, right? :-)
>
> ....there are people who use colour-calibrated monitors?
No. That's why they sell them :-P
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Regards
Stephen
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Invisible wrote:
> ...there are people who use colour-calibrated monitors?
I take it you didn't actually read the description, then.
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Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
"How did he die?" "He got shot in the hand."
"That was fatal?"
"He was holding a live grenade at the time."
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Mike the Elder wrote:
> Seriously, does anyone know if the device contains any technology which is
Very high resolution, 10-bit grayscale, and (if in the USA) probably a third
of the cost is insurance for people who sue the maker of the monitor because
they got breast cancer and the radiologist didn't see it.
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Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
"How did he die?" "He got shot in the hand."
"That was fatal?"
"He was holding a live grenade at the time."
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On 2/9/2011 6:21 AM, Invisible wrote:
> Well, well... How times have changed!
>
> I just have a look at monitor prices, and discovered that you can now
> like, that's another matter...)
Even though you aren't /exactly/ asking for recommendations, I
nevertheless feel compelled to divulge some info about my current monitor:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/602277-REG/Acer_ET_WH3HP_002_H213H_bmid_21_5_Widescreen.html
It's got a native resolution of 1920x1080, cost me about $155, and
there's *not*one* pixel out of place. The viewing angle is very
satisfactory. Games with frame rates relying on vsync are actually very
smooth. There's no "GameBoy Ghosting" that I have seen. It's humongous
compared to my last monitor (Sony Multiscan CRT, 1152x1024, $400,
refurbished, circa 1999). Brand new, this Acer 213H cost me less $,
out-performs my last video peripheral, and doesn't make me feel like
I've got photonic daggers penetrating my eyes.
Of course, this is my first LCD monitor, so take everything I say with a
grain of sodium chloride. But I've seen other comparably-priced LCDs,
and I must say, this thing is awesome :)
Sam
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>> Seriously, does anyone know if the device contains any technology
>> which is
>
> Very high resolution,
It works out lower than a consumer 1920xRGBx1200 monitor, plus you don't
need to bother with any colour filters which makes things a lot cheaper
(3 fewer process steps on the panel, plus the backlight can be less
powerful, so fewer LEDs/smaller CCFL).
> 10-bit grayscale,
Yep, that would need some specialist drivers not used in most consumer
equipment = expensive!
Also it's probably guaranteed to some medical standards which are much
stricter than consumer grade = very expensive.
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On 10/02/2011 02:48 AM, stbenge wrote:
> It's got a native resolution of 1920x1080, cost me about $155, and
> there's *not*one* pixel out of place.
To be honest, it's a long time since I've seen an LCD with any dead
pixels. It used to be quite common, but these days it seems to have been
nearly eliminated. (Although, the absurdly cheap LCD we got for my
grandparents has a single green pixel near the edge that's stuck at 100%.)
> The viewing angle is very satisfactory.
Most desktops manage to do this now. Laptops are another matter, but
desktops are usually quite good now. (As are TVs, BTW.)
> Of course, this is my first LCD monitor, so take everything I say with a
> grain of sodium chloride. But I've seen other comparably-priced LCDs,
> and I must say, this thing is awesome :)
I'm still very happy with the Samsung SyncMaster I got for my mum. Then
exchange rate...)
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>> ...there are people who use colour-calibrated monitors?
>
> I take it you didn't actually read the description, then.
I'm having a hard time believing that just because somebody is a
"professional photographer" they can afford to blow £1k on a monitor.
And let's face it, it isn't actually going to help them take better photos.
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>> 10-bit grayscale,
>
> Yep, that would need some specialist drivers not used in most consumer
> equipment = expensive!
Using parts that aren't produced in large volumes? Yeah, I'd say that's
expensive.
> Also it's probably guaranteed to some medical standards which are much
> stricter than consumer grade = very expensive.
Well, if they're going to do things like guarantee no dead pixels, that
probably reduces panel yield.
But more to the point, I know our lab contains equipment which is
absurdly expensive for no reason other than the guarantees attached to
it. For example, you can buy small heating devices for mere pence. But
our column ovens cost something like £200 each. We have a stirring
machine which is little more than a spindle and an electric motor, yet
that costs hundreds too.
Our mass spectrometers cost roughly £250,000 each (i.e., more money than
the entire company makes in a decade). And yet, they all have stamped
all over them "not for use in diagnostic procedures". In other words, we
can use them for gathering statistics, but you're not supposed to use
them to diagnose a specific person's illness. To do *that*, you would
presumably need to buy an identical device at 500x the price...
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> I'm having a hard time believing that just because somebody is a
> "professional photographer" they can afford to blow £1k on a monitor.
How much do you think the camera equipment costs that a professional
photographer uses? Or how much does it cost to fly somewhere and stay
in a hotel for 2 weeks to cover an event? A monitor like that is
insignificant.
> And let's face it, it isn't actually going to help them take better photos.
No, but it will help prepare them accurately for publishing.
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> Well, if they're going to do things like guarantee no dead pixels, that
> probably reduces panel yield.
Also things like the general uniformity of the display - display a black
image on your PC monitor and turn out all the lights, it's probably not
very even. Also that nothing will go wrong in use. A dark or bright
smudge on the front polariser is annoying for a PC monitor (you might
take it back and get it replaced if you noticed it), but on a device
used for medical diagnosis that absolutely cannot happen. The only way
to guarantee that is very extensive testing and much tighter quality
control during production and throughout the whole supply chain.
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