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On 10/02/2011 04:50 PM, Invisible wrote:
> You're obviously drastically richer than almost everybody I've ever met
> in my life then. :-P
Actually, as coincidence would have it, I recently had another one of
those questionnaires from my university. They ask you all kinds of
stuff. (I don't think I'll be putting anything in the "success stories"
section. :-P ) One of the things they ask is how much you're earning.
It still amuses me that 6 months after graduating, I got this
questionnaire, and there's a box for "more than £300,000/year". Let's
think about this. How many graduates earn that kind of cash less than a
year after graduating? :-P (Obviously it's simply a standard form that
they send to everybody...)
The other interesting thing is that although there's about half a dozen
boxes, there's only one single box for "less than £25,000/year". That's
all one option; they don't even bother to split it out further - despite
the fact that this is presumably the option that the majority of people
will pick. (People who are temping while they look for the first "real"
job, etc.)
I can't remember what the other categories are off the top of my head.
Then again, I suppose it depends on what they want the data *for*...
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On 11/02/2011 11:56 AM, Invisible wrote:
>>>> It is your job. Your employers sound as if they are running the UK side
>>>> of your company like an outsourced third world project.
>>>
>>> No no, they run the *entire* company like this.
>>
>> Get out before you are a statistic.
>
> No kidding...
>
The good folks here are not trying to put you down but are trying to
help you. It can be frustrating at times when you display such a small
town attitude but for your situation to change you will have to get out
of your comfort zone and start to trust yourself.
>> Of course there are lots of poorly paid people. That does not meen that
>> you have to be one of them.
>
> Sure. That wasn't my point.
>
But it was mine.
*Your* sights are set too low if you think £1000 is out of you reach.
>>
>> Yes, but they were buggers to work for.
>
> Ah well, say "la V".
No! I said "goodbye".
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Stephen
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On 11/02/2011 11:51 AM, Invisible wrote:
>
> By that analysis, I don't know *anybody* with "a decent job".
Shame on you.
> (Or perhaps I just don't go around measuring everybody...)
>
A commendable attitude if you want to continue the way you are.
>
> Ah, Jobserve. If only these jobs actually existed. I loose track of how
> many of them I've applied for. :-/
>
You should keep track of them. Before I hit my current run of employment
I had a database of all the jobs I had applied for.
> Damn. I had no idea I was in the company of such giants! o_O
You weren't in the company of anyone better than yourself. It is just
some people take the opportunities available.
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Stephen
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Invisible <voi### [at] dev null> wrote:
> On 11/02/2011 10:41 AM, Bill Pragnell wrote:
>
> > And you don't even need to go that far. Double your salary, and you've probably
> > got at least 4x as much disposable income.
>
> That's an interesting statistic. I like that.
Well, it's only a very rough guess based on my situation. It will vary wildly
depending on your actual income and outgoings :)
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>>> Get out before you are a statistic.
>>
>> No kidding...
>
> The good folks here are not trying to put you down but are trying to
> help you. It can be frustrating at times when you display such a small
> town attitude but for your situation to change you will have to get out
> of your comfort zone and start to trust yourself.
I'm not sure what you mean by "small town attitude", but anyway... It's
a well-known fact that I'm under-paid, and that I have had exactly no
success trying to get hired by anybody else. We've had this debate.
Actually, I was having this conversation with my girlfriend just the
other day. Perhaps with her assistance I can get somewhere. (Let's face
it, she's had more jobs that I've had hot dinners...)
>> Sure. That wasn't my point.
>
> But it was mine.
> *Your* sights are set too low if you think £1000 is out of you reach.
I *know* that £1k is out of my reach today. There's no thinking about
it. ;-) What will be in reach if I ever get a real job... well, I
wouldn't know.
>>> Yes, but they were buggers to work for.
>>
>> Ah well, say "la V".
>
> No! I said "goodbye".
Win.
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> (It's not a lot of money, but there must be lots of other people doing
> unskilled temp work too, which is presumably why it's the 30th and not
> the 3rd.)
There's a sheet for only full-time workers, which is probably more what
you're looking for.
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On 11/02/2011 12:47 PM, scott wrote:
>> (It's not a lot of money, but there must be lots of other people doing
>> unskilled temp work too, which is presumably why it's the 30th and not
>> the 3rd.)
>
> There's a sheet for only full-time workers, which is probably more what
> you're looking for.
I'm loving how there's about a 50% difference in the average figures for
men and women. Nothing sexist about that at all! ;-)
If you look at the male/full time stats, then the mean becomes a
is now about the 60th percentile (rather than 75th or so). And,
amusingly [or not?], my wage drops to around the 10th percentile...
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On 11/02/2011 12:30 PM, Invisible wrote:
> I'm not sure what you mean by "small town attitude", but anyway...
With luck, it'll will change. :-)
>
> Actually, I was having this conversation with my girlfriend just the
> other day. Perhaps with her assistance I can get somewhere. (Let's face
> it, she's had more jobs that I've had hot dinners...)
>
That sounds good, very good.
>>> Sure. That wasn't my point.
>>
>> But it was mine.
>> *Your* sights are set too low if you think £1000 is out of you reach.
>
> I *know* that £1k is out of my reach today. There's no thinking about
> it. ;-) What will be in reach if I ever get a real job... well, I
> wouldn't know.
>
But you will. Things change.
Do you remember one of our first conversations where I thought that you
were gay because you said that you would never have a girlfriend?
>>>> Yes, but they were buggers to work for.
>>>
>>> Ah well, say "la V".
>>
>> No! I said "goodbye".
>
> Win.
It sounds good but I was full of doubts changing jobs where I had to
take a bus 17 miles to Glasgow then 10 miles to East Kilbride.
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Stephen
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On 11/02/2011 10:43 AM, scott wrote:
>> According to Wolfram, my employer lost almost 1 million USD last
>> financial year. Consequently, there is a spending freeze on *everything*.
>
> Don't worry, my employer lost 53 million USD last year :-)
Down the back of the sofa?
Seriously, that's a crapload of money. I've always wondered how you can
lose that much money and not be shut down...
(Apparently *a lot* of companies lose millions of dollars and yet
continue trading. But I have no idea how that's possible.)
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>> Don't worry, my employer lost 53 million USD last year :-)
>
> Down the back of the sofa?
I assume because not as many people bought stuff as they anticipated.
> Seriously, that's a crapload of money.
But you need to compare it to the revenue and value of the company. A
company that loses $50m but is only worth $150m is in trouble, but one
worth $30000m probably doesn't need to worry about losing $50m in a bad
year.
> I've always wondered how you can
> lose that much money and not be shut down...
Because the shareholders believe you have a plan to make profit at some
point...
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