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From: Neeum Zawan
Subject: Re: Inspirational text
Date: 9 Aug 2010 22:38:18
Message: <87bp9bb37u.fsf@fester.com>
Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> writes:

> Neeum Zawan <fee### [at] festercom> wrote:
>> Well, OK. Let me put it this way: I feel he /wrongly/ stereotyped. I'm
>> sure not all (or even most) women who complain about not being able to
>> find a "nice" person have treated a nice person in the past the way he
>> claimed.
>
>   That may be true. Perhaps he made a hasty generalization. However,
> it seems that he was speaking from personal experience, so at least
> *some* women are probably like that.

Never disputed it.


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From: Neeum Zawan
Subject: Re: Inspirational text
Date: 9 Aug 2010 22:41:36
Message: <874of3b32c.fsf@fester.com>
Shay <n@n.n> writes:

> On 08/09/2010 07:37 PM, Darren New wrote:
>>
>> I just wondered how you discovered exactly how the author feels without
>> even knowing what his name is, let alone talked to him about it,
>
> So, assuming some guy ranting on craigslist is full of shit is more of
> an assumption that assuming he's not?

Given your phrasing, you do realize that assuming my next door neighbor
is not a serial killer is no more or less an assumption than assuming
he's not?


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Inspirational text
Date: 9 Aug 2010 23:19:25
Message: <4c60c53d$1@news.povray.org>
Shay wrote:
> So, assuming 

Yes. That's my point.

-- 
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
    C# - a language whose greatest drawback
    is that its best implementation comes
    from a company that doesn't hate Microsoft.


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From: Shay
Subject: Re: Inspirational text
Date: 10 Aug 2010 00:13:38
Message: <4c60d1f2$1@news.povray.org>
On 08/09/2010 10:19 PM, Darren New wrote:
> Shay wrote:
>> So, assuming
>
> Yes. That's my point.
>

So, the problem isn't necessarily with my opinion but with my having one 
at all?

Lame. If you disagree with me, just disagree with me. Argue your point 
or don't, but please spare this pitiable wretch your melodrama and 
finger-wagging.

  -Shay


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From: Shay
Subject: Re: Inspirational text
Date: 10 Aug 2010 00:20:36
Message: <4c60d394$1@news.povray.org>
On 08/09/2010 09:05 PM, Tim Cook wrote:
>
>  It's the jerks and
> frat-boy types that are blatant about 'gaming' women that actually get
> the women, while the 'nice guy' geeks get 'friendzoned'.

Sure, I'll buy that, though the frat-boy "games" I've seen involve much 
less resentment. More like, "Will you sleep with me? Please? It'll be 
fun. Pretty please?".

And I'll bet most of those frat-boy types grow up to be loving husbands 
and fathers. I've seen it happen many times.

And there are plenty of genuine nice guys in the world. Most of the ones 
I've known have had healthy and plentiful relationships with women.

The creep OTOH has always remained a creep IME.

  -Shay


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Inspirational text
Date: 10 Aug 2010 01:15:18
Message: <4c60e066@news.povray.org>
Shay <n@n.n> wrote:
> On 08/08/2010 04:59 AM, Warp wrote:
> >
> >    When a man tries to be nice to a woman, the motive must be sex. When a
> > man listens to a woman, shares feelings and emotions, that is, he wants
> > to be a good friend to the woman, the motive must be sex. When a man is
> > courteus to a woman, shows respect and has good manners, the motive must
> > be sex. You talk as if all men who do any of this consider women to be
> > just sentient sex toys which must be conquered by whatever social and
> > psychological means are necessary.

> The original author feels *exactly* that way

  Ah, you know him personally and have first-hand knowledge of the situation
he described. Well, then I stand corrected.

-- 
                                                          - Warp


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Inspirational text
Date: 10 Aug 2010 01:16:37
Message: <4c60e0b5@news.povray.org>
Shay <n@n.n> wrote:
> Because I think the "Recovering Nice Guy" is really full of crap? 
> Because I'm unfortunate enough to have met a few of that type in my life?

  You know, I'm starting to agree with the "Recovering Nice Guy". What
happened to all the nice guys? You happened.

-- 
                                                          - Warp


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From: Shay
Subject: Re: Inspirational text
Date: 10 Aug 2010 01:54:42
Message: <4c60e9a2$1@news.povray.org>
On 08/10/2010 12:15 AM, Warp wrote:
>
>    Ah, you know him personally and have first-hand knowledge of the situation
> he described.

You thought you were the only one?


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Inspirational text
Date: 10 Aug 2010 05:10:10
Message: <4c611772$1@news.povray.org>
On 04/08/2010 1:58 PM, Warp wrote:
>    For some reason I found this quite touching:
>
> http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/lax/483318927.html
>

To me he sounds like a self pitying wimp.

-- 

Best Regards,
	Stephen


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Inspirational text
Date: 10 Aug 2010 07:01:22
Message: <4c613182@news.povray.org>
Stephen <mca### [at] aoldotcom> wrote:
> On 04/08/2010 1:58 PM, Warp wrote:
> >    For some reason I found this quite touching:
> >
> > http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/lax/483318927.html
> >

> To me he sounds like a self pitying wimp.

  That comment sounds quite arrogant to me. You don't know his situation,
you don't know his personality, you don't know exactly what happened. For
some reason you are assuming dishonesty (if not in any other form, at least
in the form of the author deluding himself, thus being dishonest to himself).

  Why does everything have to be taken on bad faith? Why cannot honesty
and objectivity be assumed by default? Are we so cynical that everybody
must be assumed to be dishonest liars until proven otherwise?

-- 
                                                          - Warp


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