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From: Darren New
Subject: Imagemagick
Date: 3 Aug 2010 13:08:58
Message: <4c584d2a@news.povray.org>
I must say, the UI to this set of programs really, really sucks.

I far prefer netpbm, where each program did one thing well, read stdin and 
wrote stdout, and didn't reuse the same command-line arguments for a bunch 
of different meanings and have all kinds of bizarre option-order conditions.

-- 
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
    C# - a language whose greatest drawback
    is that its best implementation comes
    from a company that doesn't hate Microsoft.


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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: Imagemagick
Date: 3 Aug 2010 13:15:52
Message: <4c584ec8$1@news.povray.org>
Darren New wrote:
> I must say, the UI to this set of programs really, really sucks.

Patches welcome. :-)



Oh, wait - I didn't write imagemagick, did I?

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http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Imagemagick
Date: 3 Aug 2010 13:19:56
Message: <4c584fbc@news.povray.org>
Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> I must say, the UI to this set of programs really, really sucks.

  I know this is getting really old, but it's just too perfect to let pass:
If you are not happy with it, you can always demand your money back. ;)

  Besides, it's open source, so if you want to fix it, go ahead. :P

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                                                          - Warp


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Imagemagick
Date: 3 Aug 2010 14:01:49
Message: <4c58598d@news.povray.org>
Warp wrote:
> Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
>> I must say, the UI to this set of programs really, really sucks.
> 
>   I know this is getting really old, but it's just too perfect to let pass:
> If you are not happy with it, you can always demand your money back. ;)

What's the problem here? I can't talk about UI features of a free program 
without getting crap?  How the heck does any program improve if everybody 
who doesn't like it just shuts the fuck up and goes away?

It's exactly this "we don't want to even discuss the possibility that our 
program isn't perfect, because it's free and you're an ungrateful ass for 
thinking a new user's perspective might be an interesting input to the 
design process" that keeps me from contributing more to open source.

>   Besides, it's open source, so if you want to fix it, go ahead. :P

It's not really a question of "fixing" it. It's the whole design philosophy. 
  I would have expected, for example, to use the "montage" program to tile 
some images together rather than the "convert" program.

-- 
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
    C# - a language whose greatest drawback
    is that its best implementation comes
    from a company that doesn't hate Microsoft.


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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: Imagemagick
Date: 3 Aug 2010 14:06:08
Message: <4c585a90@news.povray.org>
Warp escreveu:
>   Besides, it's open source, so if you want to fix it, go ahead. :P

or fork it or ignore it if the original developers are not amused by 
your changes.  Checkout the latest Gnome vs Canonical flames...

well, at least this isn't a flame about ugly choice of colors, fonts, 
lack of wizards or tabbed interface vs MDI or whatever GUI flames come 
up... :P

-- 
a game sig: http://tinyurl.com/d3rxz9


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Imagemagick
Date: 3 Aug 2010 14:16:15
Message: <4c585cef@news.povray.org>
Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> Warp wrote:
> > Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> >> I must say, the UI to this set of programs really, really sucks.
> > 
> >   I know this is getting really old, but it's just too perfect to let pass:
> > If you are not happy with it, you can always demand your money back. ;)

> What's the problem here? I can't talk about UI features of a free program 
> without getting crap?  How the heck does any program improve if everybody 
> who doesn't like it just shuts the fuck up and goes away?

  This must be a bizarro world.

  When I don't use smilies, people complain that it's hard to understand
the tone in which I'm writing my replies.

  When I *do* use the smilies, people get confused anyways.

  The smiley was supposed to denote that I wrote my reply in jest.
Even though I'm not a big fan of using smilies (because I feel they are
akin to explaining the joke), I thought that in this case it would be
warranted. However, seemingly it didn't help.

  So if smilies don't help clear up things, then what would?

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                                                          - Warp


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Imagemagick
Date: 3 Aug 2010 14:55:21
Message: <4c586619$1@news.povray.org>
Warp wrote:
>   The smiley was supposed to denote that I wrote my reply in jest.

Sorry. It's probably just me. Work is being bonehead, and it's cheesing me 
off a bit.

-- 
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
    C# - a language whose greatest drawback
    is that its best implementation comes
    from a company that doesn't hate Microsoft.


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Imagemagick
Date: 3 Aug 2010 15:54:15
Message: <4c5873e7$1@news.povray.org>
On Tue, 03 Aug 2010 10:08:55 -0700, Darren New wrote:

> I must say, the UI to this set of programs really, really sucks.

I would agree.  I never use the GUI for the collection, and when using 
the CLI, I always have to refer back to the docs for the program I'm 
using.  It's kinda a pain.

Jim


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From: Tim Cook
Subject: Re: Imagemagick
Date: 3 Aug 2010 16:01:05
Message: <4c587581$1@news.povray.org>
On 2010-08-03 14:16, Warp wrote:
> Even though I'm not a big fan of using smilies (because I feel they are
> akin to explaining the joke), I thought that in this case it would be

obligatory: 
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Ptitle0t9r68ih?from=Main.DontExplainTheJoke

--
Tim Cook
http://empyrean.freesitespace.net


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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: Imagemagick
Date: 3 Aug 2010 16:50:00
Message: <web.4c588052787eed84f48316a30@news.povray.org>
Tim Cook <z99### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> On 2010-08-03 14:16, Warp wrote:
> > Even though I'm not a big fan of using smilies (because I feel they are
> > akin to explaining the joke), I thought that in this case it would be
>
> obligatory:
>
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Ptitle0t9r68ih?from=Main.DontExplainTheJoke

two relevant quotes:

"   6.  The joke is German, where a lot of jokes are explained in the end, for
some reason."

zat's for Warp and clipka... LOL

"Wikipedia is currently the world's largest collection of explained jokes."

I don't get it... LOL


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