Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Aug 2010 10:08:55 -0700, Darren New wrote:
> 
>> I must say, the UI to this set of programs really, really sucks.
> 
> I would agree.  I never use the GUI for the collection, 

I didn't even know there *was* a GUI/



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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> writes:

> It's exactly this "we don't want to even discuss the possibility that
> our program isn't perfect, because it's free and you're an ungrateful
> ass for thinking a new user's perspective might be an interesting input
> to the design process" that keeps me from contributing more to open
> source.

Heh Heh. I was just browsing the web site for pyjamas - a Python to
JavaScript compiler. The guy running the project is incredibly
guberdefensive about all the design decisions. Any possible criticism
is responded to with something along the lines of:

"Yes? And where's your bug report? Where's your patch? You want better
support? Pay someone!"

(Even to simple comments like "Output did not work on Opera").

Now if he'd clearly just said that the goal of the software is X, and it
is not suitable for using it for Y, then he wouldn't get half of the
questions/complaints he gets. And when people have legitimate
complaints, if he instead used one of the numerous means of trying to
get volunteers to work on it, rather than demanding that the complainant
works on it, the project would get more love.

To be fair, he does state explicitly that the goal is to serve the
individual developers' needs, and not the users. At least he is honest.

I'm betting he'll come here to respond ;-)

But yeah, even though you misread what Warp was saying, I agree with
you. When a lead developer has that attitude, he/she might as well say:
"Look, if you want to help, understand that you'll be dealing with
jerks. You've got to really *want* to help us!"

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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> writes:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Tue, 03 Aug 2010 10:08:55 -0700, Darren New wrote:
>>
>>> I must say, the UI to this set of programs really, really sucks.
>>
>> I would agree.  I never use the GUI for the collection, 
>
> I didn't even know there *was* a GUI/

You're better off not knowing.<G>

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On Tue, 03 Aug 2010 20:40:13 -0700, Neeum Zawan wrote:

> Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> writes:
> 
>> Jim Henderson wrote:
>>> On Tue, 03 Aug 2010 10:08:55 -0700, Darren New wrote:
>>>
>>>> I must say, the UI to this set of programs really, really sucks.
>>>
>>> I would agree.  I never use the GUI for the collection,
>>
>> I didn't even know there *was* a GUI/
> 
> You're better off not knowing.<G>

I agree.  When I found it, I thought "why?", and then I tried to use it, 
and my thought turned to "What?!?!"

Jim

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Darren New wrote:
 > I must say, the UI to this set of programs really, really sucks.

Ah, I think this pretty much sums it up:

The following commands are the two direct image 'composite' methods 
available in ImageMagick...

   composite {overlay} {background} [-compose {method}]   {result}

   convert  {background} {overlay} [-compose {method}] -composite   {result}

They're obviously the same. Except, of course, if the result file already 
exists, then you are doing some other operation. And it's yet again a 
completely different syntax if you actually want to stack up *three* images.

Well, of course, how intuitive!  Move over PHP!



For the record, I still haven't figured out how "-write" is supposed to work.

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    from a company that doesn't hate Microsoft.

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nemesis <nam### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> "   6.  The joke is German, where a lot of jokes are explained in the end, for
> some reason."

> zat's for Warp and clipka... LOL

  I don't get it. I'm not German.

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Warp wrote:
>   When I *do* use the smilies, people get confused anyways.

Actually, thinking on it, I think it's more that you made the exact same 
response in all seriousness to the exact same sort of complaint that I've 
made before. And lots of other people would make this exact same response to 
lots of people making similar complaints.  So even with a smiley, it wasn't 
obvious that *this* time you were joking.

Sorry I missed it, tho.

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Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
> nemesis <nam### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> > "   6.  The joke is German, where a lot of jokes are explained in the end, for
> > some reason."
>
> > zat's for Warp and clipka... LOL
>
>   I don't get it. I'm not German.

close enough... :p

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Am 03.08.2010 22:47, schrieb nemesis:

> "   6.  The joke is German, where a lot of jokes are explained in the end, for
> some reason."
>
> zat's for Warp and clipka... LOL

There are a few Germans in the POV-Ray community, but Warp's not one of 
them - he's Finnish.

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clipka <ano### [at] anonymousorg> wrote:
> Am 03.08.2010 22:47, schrieb nemesis:

> > "   6.  The joke is German, where a lot of jokes are explained in the end, for
> > some reason."
> >
> > zat's for Warp and clipka... LOL

> There are a few Germans in the POV-Ray community, but Warp's not one of 
> them - he's Finnish.

  Maybe in the country he lives in it's all the same... Germany, Finland...
what's the difference? Crazy Europeans all of them. ;)

  (Well, not that I can blame anybody. For example to me places like
Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas, Arkansas and Louisiana are all the same. South
United States. Aren't they all the same? To locals this might be a
sacrilege for all I know... :P )

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