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Warp <war### [at] tag povrayorg> wrote:
> Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> > Warp wrote:
> > > Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> > >> Then there's college, often at a university. A "university" here is a
> > >> college with campuses in more than one city. So you have "University of
> > >> California San Diego" and "University of California in Berkeley", etc.
> > >
> > > I have never really understood the difference between a college and a
> > > university in the US
> > Generally speaking, it's whether you have multiple campuses, or just one. At
> > least, that's what it was when I went to college.
> > It has nothing to do with what they teach or how long you attend or anything
> > like that. Just, basically, size.
> What would be the problem in calling all of them universities, if they
> teach the same things and you get the same academic degrees?
Btw, it seems (according to wikipedia) that there are actually two
definitions of "college": The official definition and the informal,
colloquial definition. As wikipedia puts it:
"In popular usage, the word "college" is the generic term for any
post-secondary undergraduate education. Americans go to "college"
after high school, regardless of whether the specific institution is
formally a college or a university, and the word and its derivatives
are the standard terms used to describe the institutions and
experiences associated with American post-secondary undergraduate
education."
The official definition seems to be more complex.
--
- Warp
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On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 13:14:07 -0700, Darren New wrote:
> Warp wrote:
>> Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
>>> Then there's college, often at a university. A "university" here is a
>>> college with campuses in more than one city. So you have "University
>>> of California San Diego" and "University of California in Berkeley",
>>> etc.
>>
>> I have never really understood the difference between a college and a
>> university in the US
>
> Generally speaking, it's whether you have multiple campuses, or just
> one. At least, that's what it was when I went to college.
>
> It has nothing to do with what they teach or how long you attend or
> anything like that. Just, basically, size.
That sounds right to me as well - though it isn't even "size" so much; I
went to Embry-Riddle, and as schools go it's fairly small, but they have
multiple campuses, so it's classified as a university.
Jim
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Jim Henderson wrote:
> multiple campuses, so it's classified as a university.
The only reason I know this is I went to West Chester State College for
undergraduate, that turned into West Chester University when I was half-way
through. It was a source of great mirth.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
C# - a language whose greatest drawback
is that its best implementation comes
from a company that doesn't hate Microsoft.
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Warp wrote:
> What would be the problem in calling all of them universities, if they
> teach the same things and you get the same academic degrees?
You're asking me why Americans don't have a logical language?
> "In popular usage, the word "college" is the generic term
Yes.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
C# - a language whose greatest drawback
is that its best implementation comes
from a company that doesn't hate Microsoft.
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On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 16:32:00 -0700, Darren New wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> multiple campuses, so it's classified as a university.
>
> The only reason I know this is I went to West Chester State College for
> undergraduate, that turned into West Chester University when I was
> half-way through. It was a source of great mirth.
That also probably explains the university that's in Waynesburg, PA -
which is a source of much amusement for my wife (who's from there). :-)
Jim
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On 16/07/2010 4:59 PM, Bill Pragnell wrote:
> Invisible<voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>>> In US schools, the books go home with students, and at university, the
>>> student purchases/owns the books.
>>
>> Really? Heh, I never knew that. Any specific reason?
>
> You make it sound outlandish. This was exactly my experience at my UK school,
> and university. We had the use of lockers at school, but as you say, homework
> etc...
>
>
You English had it soft, :-P lockers indeed. We had to take all our
school books home and bring the correct ones in daily. Our memories were
encouraged by the use of the tawse http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawse
--
Best Regards,
Stephen
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On 16/07/2010 9:45 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>>> >> I have never really understood the difference between a college and a
>>> >> university in the US
>> >
>> > Generally speaking, it's whether you have multiple campuses, or just
>> > one. At least, that's what it was when I went to college.
>> >
>> > It has nothing to do with what they teach or how long you attend or
>> > anything like that. Just, basically, size.
> That sounds right to me as well - though it isn't even "size" so much; I
> went to Embry-Riddle, and as schools go it's fairly small, but they have
> multiple campuses, so it's classified as a university.
>
In the UK, universities award their own degrees and require (I think) a
royal charter. Colleges can award degrees from another institution.
--
Best Regards,
Stephen
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>> Interestingly, my understanding is that "school uniforms" are usually *not*
>> paid for by the government, and the point of the uniforms is to avoid
>> distinguishing wealthy from poor. If everyone buys the same clothes, there's
>> no way to have a status symbol your parents bought for you in that way.
>
> Wouldn't it thus make sense for the government to provide the uniforms?
> (Because, after all, not all parents might be able to afford them.)
Here's the fun part:
Some schools say "you must wear a blue shirt and black trousers", and
you go buy that from wherever. Other schools sell their own uniform
(usually with the school name embroidered on it). And they can basically
charge... whatever they like for it. It's a nice little source of income
for the school. (Schools are always whining about having insufficient
funds.)
uniform in order to do so". Nice...
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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>> I recall at uni there were certain books that they said you should buy.
>>
>> Or you could just get them out of the uni library for nothing. Well,
>> duh.
>
> Yeah, unless it's a classroom textbook - the library isn't likely to keep
> 100+ copies of it on the shelves....
Maybe it's just the uni I went to. The largest class in the entire uni
was, like, 70 people or something.
I remember when we did object-oriented analysis and design, we were all
ordered to go buy the UML book. I thought "hey, I'll just get it from
the library". I found the shelf... and it was bare.
Two weeks later, I tried to get the book, and there was at least 30
copies. But then, as I quickly discovered, the book was useless anyway! ;-)
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Here's the fun part:
> Some schools say "you must wear a blue shirt and black trousers", and
> you go buy that from wherever. Other schools sell their own uniform
> (usually with the school name embroidered on it). And they can basically
> charge... whatever they like for it. It's a nice little source of income
> for the school. (Schools are always whining about having insufficient
> funds.)
> uniform in order to do so". Nice...
A naive person would think that this is exactly what taxes are for.
(And, in fact, in many countries this *is* something which is paid from
tax money.)
It would be an example of a *good* use of tax money, as it helps evening
out the difference between rich and poor (while still not being outright
communism).
--
- Warp
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