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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> This is the part I don't get. Mounting more chips on a board costs
> money, but making an ASIC costs orders of magnitude *more* money.
It really doesn't. When I was in college, the guys learning how to do this
had runs of 10 chips at a time at a fab to test out their designs. It's
really not as expensive as you think.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
Eiffel - The language that lets you specify exactly
that the code does what you think it does, even if
it doesn't do what you wanted.
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Am 12.06.2010 18:08, schrieb Nicolas Alvarez:
> Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>> Darren New wrote:
>>> You know, every time you have one of these conversations, I can't help
>>> but imagine your cutting edge technology is this:
>>>
>>> http://theradiokitchen.net/wp-content/uploads/image/80scellphone.gif
>>
>> Actually this:
>>
>> http://www.google.co.uk/images?q=nokia+2760
>
> Advanced! This is mine:
> http://www.google.com/images?q=nokia+1208
>
Advanced, too! This is mine:
http://www.google.com/images?q=aeg+fono+style
Guess what - it even features SMS, a built-in vibration alert, and two
mini-games... :-P
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nemesis wrote:
> Yet you guys underestimate how much work goes into trying to develop things like
> Global Illumination or Participating Media in real time for games.
I don't! I had no idea how such things were done until I started studying
it, and now I have a good appreciation of the limits of what the chip can
actually do. :-)
> Designing a GPU for PS4 may sound glamurous, but I guess if you were the
> japanese guy working 30 hours a day under lots of pressure you'd actually think
> of suicide... :P
Oh, I don't know that designing the hardware sounds fun. That sounds tedious
as hell, to me.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
Eiffel - The language that lets you specify exactly
that the code does what you think it does, even if
it doesn't do what you wanted.
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clipka wrote:
> Advanced, too! This is mine:
People ask me what kind of phone I have. I tell them "the kind that doesn't
have airplane mode."
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
Eiffel - The language that lets you specify exactly
that the code does what you think it does, even if
it doesn't do what you wanted.
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>> This is the part I don't get. Mounting more chips on a board costs
>> money, but making an ASIC costs orders of magnitude *more* money.
>
> It really doesn't. When I was in college, the guys learning how to do
> this had runs of 10 chips at a time at a fab to test out their designs.
> It's really not as expensive as you think.
I thought the whole idea of FPGAs is that you don't have to spend
$80,000 on a run of ASICs just to see if it works...
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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>>> ZOMG, are you from Mars?!
>>>
>>> it's been its killer feature upon launch time!
>>
>> And since I don't own or want to own an iPhone, why would I know about
>> this?
>
> Maybe by keeping your eyes and ears open to what's going on around you?
I don't own an iPhone, I've never (knowingly) met anybody else who owns
an iPhone. (I was under the impression that it's extortionately
expsensive due to how shiny it is.) And I don't watch TV (probably the
only place it's advertised), so... why would I know much about it?
(Other than having heard that it exists, anyway.)
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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>> Well, as I say, when you never achieve anything, it doesn't boost your
>> confidence very much. (And hell, even when I do manage to do something
>> moderately impressive, nobody seems to be impressed.)
>
> Don't expect others to boost your confidence.
>
> And don't measure your achievements by looking at famous people, or
> goals still far beyond your reach - instead, measure your achievements
> by looking back at where you started from.
Attending a beginner's dance class the other day was interesting...
watching all those people struggling over the "filler" moves I use when
I'm trying to decide what my next *real* move is going to be.
Still, if it doesn't impress anybody else, what's the point?
> Seriously, STFU. That's the first step to more self-confidence: If you
> can't find anything positive to say about yourself, don't say anything,
> and just STFU.
Well... my mother always said "if you don't have anything nice to say,
don't say anything". Maybe I need to apply that to talking about me?
(Actually, my mother never once said that. What she *did* say a lot was
"Oi! Tidy your room!!" And - oh, damnit! >_< )
Aside: Every time I see "STFU", it looks like "stuff you"...
> Could it be that being a loser once used to be a way for you to gain
> something? Attention perhaps?
>
> Gee, and we're delivering just that right now...
From what I've seen, *not* being a loser gets you way, way more
attention. Of a more satisfying kind. (Although not _all_ necessarily
good...)
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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Am 12.06.2010 19:29, schrieb Orchid XP v8:
>> It really doesn't. When I was in college, the guys learning how to do
>> this had runs of 10 chips at a time at a fab to test out their
>> designs. It's really not as expensive as you think.
>
> I thought the whole idea of FPGAs is that you don't have to spend
> $80,000 on a run of ASICs just to see if it works...
FPGAs are pretty limited in capability compared to ASICs.
As for ASIC prototype costs, maybe prototype costs can be cut
considerably by using a "pool" manufacturing approach, by sharing wafer
space with other customers who need totally different ASIC prototypes to
be produced. I know it's done for PCB production (I've already used such
a service just to avoid etching & drilling my own double-sided PCBs for
some hobby projects), so I see no basic reason why it shouldn't work in
ASIC production as well.
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Am 12.06.2010 18:42, schrieb Darren New:
> clipka wrote:
>> Advanced, too! This is mine:
>
> People ask me what kind of phone I have. I tell them "the kind that
> doesn't have airplane mode."
Press the power button for a few seconds, until the device turns off.
There: Airplane mode ;-)
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Actually this:
>
> http://www.google.co.uk/images?q=nokia+2760
By the way, you have *no idea* how long it took me to figure out the
model number. It's not written anywhere! >_<
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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