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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: If you ever made a powerpoint
Date: 22 May 2010 12:04:03
Message: <4bf80073$1@news.povray.org>
On 21/05/2010 8:14 PM, Darren New wrote:
> watch at least the first minute of this.
>
> http://comment.rsablogs.org.uk/2010/04/08/rsa-animate-drive/
>
> It's an interesting talk anyway, and over in 10 minutes, so it's worth
> watching.

Sorry, it was over in much less than 10 minutes.
I’ve heard of and suffered “Death by PowerPoint” and this is a good 
example of insulting the viewer’s intelligence.


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	Stephen


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From: Neeum Zawan
Subject: Re: If you ever made a powerpoint
Date: 22 May 2010 12:25:13
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On 05/22/10 08:46, Jim Charter wrote:
> Darren New wrote:
>> watch at least the first minute of this.
>>
>> http://comment.rsablogs.org.uk/2010/04/08/rsa-animate-drive/
>>
>> It's an interesting talk anyway, and over in 10 minutes, so it's worth
>> watching.
> I don't understand the experiment.  What does he mean "people offered
> the high reward" did poorly.  Does that mean no one actually received
> the high reward? I'm confused.

	They performed worse than those who weren't offered an award, or
offered a low award.

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From: Neeum Zawan
Subject: Re: If you ever made a powerpoint
Date: 22 May 2010 12:26:53
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On 05/22/10 09:04, Stephen wrote:
> On 21/05/2010 8:14 PM, Darren New wrote:
>> watch at least the first minute of this.
>>
>> http://comment.rsablogs.org.uk/2010/04/08/rsa-animate-drive/
>>
>> It's an interesting talk anyway, and over in 10 minutes, so it's worth
>> watching.
> 
> Sorry, it was over in much less than 10 minutes.
> I’ve heard of and suffered “Death by PowerPoint” and this is a good
> example of insulting the viewer’s intelligence.

	Well, OK. Watch his other talk at TED then:

http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/dan_pink_on_motivation.html

	Also, he references Dan Ariely, who himself has two TED talks. And
Ariely's book (Predictably Irrational) is a pretty good read. It has a
chapter on this topic.

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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: If you ever made a powerpoint
Date: 22 May 2010 13:03:41
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On 22/05/2010 5:39 PM, Neeum Zawan wrote:

> 	Well, OK. Watch his other talk at TED then:
>
> http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/dan_pink_on_motivation.html
>
> 	Also, he references Dan Ariely, who himself has two TED talks. And
> Ariely's book (Predictably Irrational) is a pretty good read. It has a
> chapter on this topic.
>

That’s a much better presentation with no gimmicks. As far as the 
subject matter goes he is preaching to the converted. ;-)

I suppose the problem is that I am a socialist and an European, these 
things are self evident (to most) here.
But I applaud him.


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	Stephen


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From: Jim Charter
Subject: Re: If you ever made a powerpoint
Date: 23 May 2010 10:39:58
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Neeum Zawan wrote:
> On 05/22/10 08:46, Jim Charter wrote:
>> Darren New wrote:
>>> watch at least the first minute of this.
>>>
>>> http://comment.rsablogs.org.uk/2010/04/08/rsa-animate-drive/
>>>
>>> It's an interesting talk anyway, and over in 10 minutes, so it's worth
>>> watching.
>> I don't understand the experiment.  What does he mean "people offered
>> the high reward" did poorly.  Does that mean no one actually received
>> the high reward? I'm confused.
> 
> 	They performed worse than those who weren't offered an award, or
> offered a low award.
> 
I see so the reward is not based on performance or achievements after 
the fact but rather it is paid in the hope of getting high performance 
or achievements which never pan out.


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From: Jim Charter
Subject: Re: If you ever made a powerpoint
Date: 23 May 2010 10:45:00
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Stephen wrote:
> On 21/05/2010 8:14 PM, Darren New wrote:
>> watch at least the first minute of this.
>>
>> http://comment.rsablogs.org.uk/2010/04/08/rsa-animate-drive/
>>
>> It's an interesting talk anyway, and over in 10 minutes, so it's worth
>> watching.
> 
> Sorry, it was over in much less than 10 minutes.
> I’ve heard of and suffered “Death by PowerPoint” and this is a good 
> example of insulting the viewer’s intelligence.
> 
> 
My reaction too, it seems like some kind of scientific veneer is being 
pasted on a small set of casual observations surrounding open source 
coding and in a rather self-congratulatory way.  But maybe the 'studies' 
do exist, would like to know about Those, before getting to all the 
sweeping conclusions.


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: If you ever made a powerpoint
Date: 23 May 2010 10:54:25
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On 23/05/2010 3:44 PM, Jim Charter wrote:
>> Sorry, it was over in much less than 10 minutes.
>> I’ve heard of and suffered “Death by PowerPoint” and this is a good
>> example of insulting the viewer’s intelligence.
>>
>>
> My reaction too, it seems like some kind of scientific veneer is being
> pasted on a small set of casual observations surrounding open source
> coding and in a rather self-congratulatory way.  But maybe the 'studies'
> do exist, would like to know about Those, before getting to all the
> sweeping conclusions.

And the graphics, they were good for the first 5 minutes but it was 
worse than sub titles on an English film.

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	Stephen


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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: If you ever made a powerpoint
Date: 23 May 2010 11:08:41
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Who is this guy, and how the heck does is draw so fast? That's amazing!

Also, where did he get an infinite whiteboard from??

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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: If you ever made a powerpoint
Date: 23 May 2010 11:39:29
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Jim Charter wrote:
> I see so the reward is not based on performance or achievements after 
> the fact but rather it is paid in the hope of getting high performance 
> or achievements which never pan out.

I would think it would be done like regular salaries. We'll pay you $1 per 
unit of work, or we'll pay you $10 per unit of work, where a unit of work 
might be either carrying buckets of water or writing limericks.

-- 
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
    Ada - the programming language trying to avoid
    you literally shooting yourself in the foot.


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From: Neeum Zawan
Subject: Re: If you ever made a powerpoint
Date: 23 May 2010 12:50:05
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On 05/23/10 07:39, Jim Charter wrote:
>>     They performed worse than those who weren't offered an award, or
>> offered a low award.
>>
> I see so the reward is not based on performance or achievements after
> the fact but rather it is paid in the hope of getting high performance
> or achievements which never pan out.

	Um, perhaps. Not sure I'm parsing you correctly.

	The point is that offering a larger sum to get the job done led to
lower performance (slower, etc) for tasks that require more advanced
thinking.

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