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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Photoshop CS5
Date: 8 May 2010 14:59:01
Message: <4be5b475@news.povray.org>
Fredrik Eriksson wrote:
> Most importantly:
>  "The exclusive right shall not apply to:
>  (1) use which is not commercial"

Wikipedia:

"""
The rights conveyed by a patent vary country-by-country. For example, in 
the 
United States, a patent covers research, except "purely philosophical" 
inquiry. A U.S. patent is infringed by any "making" of the invention, eve
n a 
making that goes toward development of a new invention—which may 
itself 
become subject of a patent.
"""

So here, you don't even get to try it out yourself to see if you can make
 it 
better.  Actually, I thought that patents explicitly did *not* cover use 
for 
research purposes, so either Wikipedia is wrong, the law changed since I 

learned it, or I'm misremembering. It would seem terribly counter-product
ive 
to let patents exclude research, given that the whole patent system is 
intended to promote research.

-- 
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
    Ada - the programming language trying to avoid
    you literally shooting yourself in the foot.


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From: Fredrik Eriksson
Subject: Re: Photoshop CS5
Date: 8 May 2010 16:21:56
Message: <op.vcelirlg7bxctx@toad.bredbandsbolaget.se>
On Sat, 08 May 2010 20:59:00 +0200, Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> Actually, I thought that patents explicitly did *not* cover use for  
> research purposes, so either Wikipedia is wrong, the law changed since I  
> learned it, or I'm misremembering. It would seem terribly  
> counter-productive to let patents exclude research, given that the whole  
> patent system is intended to promote research.

I tried looking it up, but it is just too much effort. The actual  
legislative text (35 USC 271) says very little; most of the rules appear  
to have been set by courts. Finding and digging through all the relevant  
court rulings is a bit more effort than I am willing to put in for the  
sake of curiosity.

I did find this little analysis on the experimental use exemption:
  http://www.nystar.state.ny.us/nl/nlassets/pdf/stlc1.pdf

A couple of somewhat relevant quotes from that article:

>  the experimental use defense is strictly limited to activities
>  performed "for amusement, to satisfy idle curiosity, or for
>  strictly philosophical inquiry."
>  The CAFC stated that any use which has the "slightest commercial
>  implication" or is "in keeping with the legitimate business of the 
>  alleged infringer" cannot qualify for the experimental use defense.

>  The sweeping holding in Madey v. Duke would appear to preclude
>  experimental use of patented subject matter by all non-profit
>  research organizations, including federal laboratories, research
>  foundations and research hospitals.



-- 
FE


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From: Mike Raiford
Subject: Re: Photoshop CS5
Date: 10 May 2010 12:35:03
Message: <4be835b7$1@news.povray.org>
On 5/5/2010 5:24 PM, Darren New wrote:

> Second, if you're talking about the ISO setting rather than the
> exposure, that's about how much you pre-bias the electrons in the
> sensor. Basically, you load up each pixel of the sensor with some
> electrons, and if light kicks out an electron, you add one to the
> intensity of the light there. Adding more electrons makes it easier to
> get kicked out.

I thought ISO essentially amplifier gain. e.g. A CCD (or CMOS) cell 
accululates a certain number of photons, which builds a potential, a 
fixed time later, after the exposure has been taken, some circuitry 
reads the potentials, send it through an amplifier (whose gain is set by 
the ISO setting in the camera's software) then to a DAC, and encoded in 
a file, rather than pre-charge the CCD....

-- 
~Mike


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Photoshop CS5
Date: 10 May 2010 12:48:23
Message: <4be838d7$1@news.povray.org>
Mike Raiford wrote:
> I thought ISO essentially amplifier gain. 

I come to the conclusion that my understanding of the topic was likely 
incorrect. :-)

-- 
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
    Ada - the programming language trying to avoid
    you literally shooting yourself in the foot.


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From: Mike Raiford
Subject: Re: Photoshop CS5
Date: 10 May 2010 12:48:52
Message: <4be838f4$1@news.povray.org>
On 5/6/2010 12:33 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:

>
> That's not strictly true - I know a couple guys who do wedding photos and
> do their captures in raw format.  They just bring several large memory
> cards with them so they can capture lots of images.
>
> Though I suppose it depends on what they're photographing at the wedding;
> if it's the lucky couple, then raw is probably  more commonly used than,
> say, photos of guests at the reception.

Like I said, some do, some don't. I would imagine some of the more 
high-end photographers that spend a lot of time on each image will do 
lots of post work, but that really depends. If they're using external 
lighting, and have everything set exactly right, they may be using jpg 
for the sheer convenience of not having to go through the processing 
portion. But, I can definitely see a wedding photographer using raw, 
especially for the posed pictures.


-- 
~Mike


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From: Mike Raiford
Subject: Re: Photoshop CS5
Date: 10 May 2010 12:54:06
Message: <4be83a2e$1@news.povray.org>
On 5/6/2010 3:10 AM, Invisible wrote:

> It was the most expensive lense I could find in the catalogue. ;-) I'm
> strange like that; when looking at a price list, I often go to the final
> page, just to see how silly the price is.

That's not the most expensive Canon lens... That one is a 1200mm f/5.6, 
which is around USD 80,000 :D

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~Mike


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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: Photoshop CS5
Date: 10 May 2010 13:12:25
Message: <4be83e79@news.povray.org>
>> It was the most expensive lense I could find in the catalogue. ;-) I'm
>> strange like that; when looking at a price list, I often go to the final
>> page, just to see how silly the price is.
> 
> That's not the most expensive Canon lens... That one is a 1200mm f/5.6, 
> which is around USD 80,000 :D

I'm fairly sure Jessops don't sell that.

I said it was the most expensive one *in the catalogue*. ;-)

-- 
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*


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From: Mike Raiford
Subject: Re: Photoshop CS5
Date: 11 May 2010 09:11:50
Message: <4be95796$1@news.povray.org>
On 5/10/2010 12:12 PM, Orchid XP v8 wrote:

>
> I'm fairly sure Jessops don't sell that.
>
> I said it was the most expensive one *in the catalogue*. ;-)
>

Ah, I misunderstood then, I thought you meant *Canon's* catalog ;)

-- 
~Mike


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Photoshop CS5
Date: 11 May 2010 09:28:42
Message: <4be95b8a$1@news.povray.org>
>> I'm fairly sure Jessops don't sell that.
>>
>> I said it was the most expensive one *in the catalogue*. ;-)
>>
> 
> Ah, I misunderstood then, I thought you meant *Canon's* catalog ;)

Actually I was looking exclusively at Nikon, but anyway... ;-)


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From: Mike Raiford
Subject: Re: Photoshop CS5
Date: 12 May 2010 09:06:20
Message: <4beaa7cc$1@news.povray.org>
On 5/11/2010 8:28 AM, Invisible wrote:

> Actually I was looking exclusively at Nikon, but anyway... ;-)

See? that's what I get for being a total Canon fanboy :D
-- 
~Mike


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