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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Baffling
Date: 27 Apr 2010 12:15:09
Message: <4bd70d8d$1@news.povray.org>
Phil Cook v2 wrote:
> Ethernet speakers?

Does a Media Center Extender count? ;-)

Seriously, I don't have ethernet *everywhere*. I couldn't do surround-sound 
speakers over ethernet. Wireless maybe, but not ethernet.

I told them to put an ethernet wire from the closet to each phone jack. I 
should have said from the closet to each cable TV box as well.

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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Baffling
Date: 27 Apr 2010 12:18:20
Message: <4bd70e4c$1@news.povray.org>
Warp wrote:
> Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
>> scott wrote:
>>> Anyway, there are also compression algorithms that are a lot more 
>>> efficient than the one used on DVDs. So in theory you could get DVD 
>>> quality with a lot less than 9 MBit/s if you use a better compression 
>>> algorithm.
> 
>> Indeed. A 10:1 improvement in compression is easily attainable without 
>> noticable loss compared to DVD compression anyway.
> 
>   10 times smaller than MPEG-2 with the same visual quality? Now that,
> I think, would be quite hard.

Hmm. Rethinking, 6:1 or so. Basically, you can fit a DVD onto a CD without 
really comprimising the signal.  And remember that when they make DVDs, they 
don't necessarily squeeze it as small as possible. They squeeze it as much 
as necessary to make it fit on the disk, even if they could compress it more.

I misthought. It's more like 6:1. I was confusing Blu->DVD instead of 
DVD->CD or something.

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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Baffling
Date: 27 Apr 2010 12:18:45
Message: <4bd70e65$1@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:
>>>>> When do you think that day will be?
>>>>
>>>> Not only is it here. It's a commodity.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.netflix.com/NetflixReadyDevices
>>>
>>> I don't follow.
>>
>> Whats not to follow? They stream movies directly from the internet 
>> (albeit at SD resolutions ..)
> 
> Presumably this only actually works if you have a suitably fast Internet 
> connection though?

No, it works great over dial-up too. You should try it.

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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: Baffling
Date: 27 Apr 2010 12:23:13
Message: <4bd70f71$1@news.povray.org>
Bill Pragnell escreveu:
> Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>>> Because, say, games at full HD may have to cut geometry or frame rate
>>> here and there to fit comfortably?
>> What do TV resolutions have to do with computers? You connect a computer
>> to a monitor, not a TV.
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Games_console

LOL

seems like Andrew still got some 30 years ahead to fully get to grips 
with the real world...

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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: Baffling
Date: 27 Apr 2010 12:26:43
Message: <4bd71043$1@news.povray.org>
Invisible escreveu:
>>> (And hell, half the equipment and content that says "HD" on it isn't 
>>> even full resolution anyway... Why allow half a dozen resolutions 
>>> when it would have been far simpler for the designers and less 
>>> misleading for the public if they allow only one resolution?)
>>
>> Because, say, games at full HD may have to cut geometry or frame rate 
>> here and there to fit comfortably?
> 
> What do TV resolutions have to do with computers? You connect a computer 
> to a monitor, not a TV.

besides game consoles, many people for the past few years have been 
connecting computers to their large screen FullHD TVs.  Because, you 
know, it's usually more pleasing seeing images at a large screen from 
the comfort of your sofa (yeah, with a wireless keyboard) rather than 
sitting a few inches away from a much smaller screen.

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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: Baffling
Date: 27 Apr 2010 13:07:03
Message: <4bd719b7@news.povray.org>
Darren New escreveu:
> Invisible wrote:
>>>>>> When do you think that day will be?
>>>>>
>>>>> Not only is it here. It's a commodity.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.netflix.com/NetflixReadyDevices
>>>>
>>>> I don't follow.
>>>
>>> Whats not to follow? They stream movies directly from the internet 
>>> (albeit at SD resolutions ..)
>>
>> Presumably this only actually works if you have a suitably fast 
>> Internet connection though?
> 
> No, it works great over dial-up too. You should try it.

BTW, don't you guys find it funny that ADSL is "dial-up" too?  Twas not 
long ago that I used to dial-up at 56Kbps and looked forward to having a 
"cable modem" connection, but today I "dial-up" over the phone line and 
have 10Mbps connections... ^-^

technology advances at a far too ridiculous pace to try to categorize 
with silly terminology... :P

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From: Gilles Tran
Subject: Re: Baffling
Date: 27 Apr 2010 13:12:41
Message: <4bd71b09@news.povray.org>

4bd705be$1@news.povray.org...
> Hmm, interesting. Where I live, most people have between 2 Mbit/sec and 8 
> Mbit/sec. (I gather that until ADSL2 is deployed, you can't exceed 8 
> Mbit/sec...)

http://www.bb4mk.org/ (assuming you live there)

G.


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Baffling
Date: 27 Apr 2010 13:45:20
Message: <4bd722b0@news.povray.org>
nemesis wrote:
> BTW, don't you guys find it funny that ADSL is "dial-up" too? 

Not really. It's built into the line card, so you're not actually dialing 
anything. You're just using the same wires you would be dialing on.

Indeed, the two hardest parts of making ADSL work is dealing with rings and 
dealing with dialing.

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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: Baffling
Date: 27 Apr 2010 13:59:36
Message: <4bd72608$1@news.povray.org>
Darren New escreveu:
> nemesis wrote:
>> BTW, don't you guys find it funny that ADSL is "dial-up" too? 
> 
> Not really. It's built into the line card, so you're not actually 
> dialing anything. You're just using the same wires you would be dialing on.

really?  I used to connect without a line filter in my other telephone 
across the room and, thus, if you happened to pick up the nearby phone 
while it was connecting, you would listen to a bit of that "folkloric" 
well-known old-modem dialing-up tune.

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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: Baffling
Date: 27 Apr 2010 14:26:36
Message: <4bd72c5c$1@news.povray.org>
Invisible escreveu:
> scott wrote:
>>> I've yet to see anything on YouTube which even approaches TV quality.
>>
>> You did find a video that supports HD resolutions, and switch YouTube 
>> to use that resolution, and watch full-screen?  Search "1080p demo" to 
>> easily find some.
> 
> The ones with an HD option look bettER, but still not particularly good. 
> At least, the ones I've seen.

http://vimeo.com/9078364

youtube sucks...

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