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On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 11:34:22 +0100, Invisible wrote:
>>> Out of curiosity, how does one "learn" Photoshop anyway?
>>
>> You use it. You read tutorials on the internet (do you really think
>> there
>> aren't any?) You read books. You ask colleagues.
>
> In my experience, most Internet tutorials aren't very useful. (Although
> there are always exceptions.) And since povray.off-topic is the only
> "colleagues" I have, asking here is only going to give me "dude, GIYF!"
> Books are similarly hit-and-miss, but I'm sure there's some good ones
> out there. The tricky part is finding them. ;-)
That's what libraries are for. ;-)
Jim
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On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 18:16:50 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Darren New wrote:
>> Invisible wrote:
>>> Ugly, isn't it?
>>
>> Rather retro, actually.
>
> I just got home, clicked it to remind myself what it looks like, and
> GAH! >_< Did I really waste 2 hours making this? It's awful! :-S
>
> Must try harder...
>
> (Still, just making the vertical colour gradiant is painful when you
> have to type in all the RGB values by hand, trying to guess what might
> look nice.)
Most people also learn by failing at things - Van Gogh didn't create
masterpieces the first time he put a brush to canvas.....
Jim
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>> BTW: if you want a >really< interesting background, then use an
animated gif
>
> Uh, what?
>
You know that gifs can be animated. This, aside from being reliably
transparent in any browser, is the main attraction of this format. And
any image, even an animated one, can be displayed as background.
I once designed a backgound for a bathroom shop which would display
ascending bubbles on a blue background by first creating a seamlessly
tileable background and then animating the bubbles into a gif. Seven
years ago this was a nice way to animate an intro-screen... but since I
got paid for it I cannot post it.
So I quickly cooked up a small ani: after 4s it will chage colours, do
this 4 times, then stop changing for the rest of the session.
Try making a webpage with the attached image as background.
Maybe your newsreader will show it, too, though I would not rely on
this.
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Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> I just got home, clicked it to remind myself what it looks like, and
> GAH! >_< Did I really waste 2 hours making this? It's awful! :-S
Doesn't matter. You know more than when you started, and you've got a template
to play with. The first time you do something like this always takes 10x longer
than any subsequent work. Doesn't matter if you don't like it!
(and I've seen worse ;-)
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Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Now I'm sure I've heard people complain that "the GIMP is an image
> processor, not a paint program".
It's a very good image processor, but it does so much more than that. It but
lacks full HDR support (coming soon, I understand).
> Well, there is that too, yes. ;-) From what little research I've done,
> the way the GIMP works makes sense to the people who designed it, but
> fails to follow any normal kind of intuition, making it maddeningly hard
> to learn.
It's nowhere near as hard as Blender, but not completely trivial either. It
works more similarly to Paintshop than Photoshop (as far as I can tell, not
having used Photoshop o_O). But, naturally, there are oodles of really good
tutorials out there for it.
> I've seen it, I've used it, it's nice that it exists, but it's really
> not very easy to do anything remotely useful with it.
Hmm, I thought it was extremely intuitive for open-source. I've used it quite a
lot for making POV-Ray splines. It's also pretty handy for designing simple
icons etc due to its bitmap export options. Great for line diagrams too.
:)
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Invisible escreveu:(Although
> since povray.off-topic is the only
> "colleagues" I have, asking here is only going to give me "dude, GIYF!"
> Books are similarly hit-and-miss, but I'm sure there's some good ones
> out there. The tricky part is finding them. ;-)
you register to a photoshop-based web forum and ask your questions there
as a novice.
But, come on! The "stripy" background is just a gradient effect, the
drop shadows and glow just plugins... just by messing around with the
software and seeing what each tool in the toolbox does suffices for such
basic stuff...
--
a game sig: http://tinyurl.com/d3rxz9
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Invisible escreveu:
>>> In my experience, most Internet tutorials aren't very useful.
>>
>> That's because you don't try them. When you read a tutorial you have to
>> actually *do* what the tutorial is saying, step by step. Just reading it
>> is not enough. You learn by doing.
>
> If the tutorial doesn't make sense, it's not a good tutorial.
It makes a lot more sense if you actually try to follow it rather than
just read.
> If the tutorial doesn't explain the part I'm trying to learn, it's not a
> good tutorial.
That's what's good about there being so many tutorials: you may choose
one from multiple about a given subject.
In any case, more practice and less whinning is key.
--
a game sig: http://tinyurl.com/d3rxz9
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Orchid XP v8 escreveu:
> I've seen it, I've used it, it's nice that it exists, but it's really
> not very easy to do anything remotely useful with it.
you whine too much. Go look for galleries of incredible images done
with Gimp, Inkscape and Blender by people who took their time to learn
rather than cry like babies...
--
a game sig: http://tinyurl.com/d3rxz9
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TC <do-not-reply@i-do get-enough-spam-already-2498.com> wrote:
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> >> BTW: if you want a >really< interesting background, then use an animated gif
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> > Uh, what?
> >
> You know that gifs can be animated.
My question was meant as: "Why would anyone want to do that? That's
horrible design! Even one small gif animation in the webpage can be
really annoying, not to talk if the *background* image is one."
--
- Warp
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>>> If you don't use any paint program yet, try the GIMP.
>>> Now I'm sure I've heard people complain that "the GIMP is an image
>>> processor, not a paint program".
>>
>> Then get tuxpaint :P
>
> ...oh dear god, it actually exists! o_O
Of course it does.
Does it look easy-to-use enough for you? :D
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