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And lo On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 03:20:21 -0000, Tim Cook <z99### [at] gmail com>
did spake thusly:
> nemesis wrote:
>> Sabrina Kilian <ski### [at] vt edu> wrote:
>>> http://www.physorg.com/news186830615.html
>>>
>>> An interesting take on the matter. Shall we reopen the age old
>>> discussion?
>> I for one welcome our new environmental-chemical overlords. It's a
>> relief to be
>> freed from all responsibility for my acts. Now excuse me as I need to
>> steal
>> some beer from the local store... and they may sue and threaten my
>> conscious
>> mind, but will never get to my true unconscious self! mwahahaha
>
> Not having free will doesn't necessarily equate to freedom from
> responsibility for your acts (and therefore being able to do 'whatever
> you want')...as the cumulative result of your upbringing and
> environment, the actions that you end up taking are, if not
> predetermined, highly probable. You *choose* to not rob the store *as a
> result* of the knowledge that doing so will incur punishment.
> Alternately, you weigh benefits and detriments, and if the benefits win,
> you end up robbing the store after all--but the decision to do so was
> entirely a result of existing criteria. Ergo, not free will.
Ah but if you accept that we're simply rationalising actions already
determined by our unconscious the chemical reactions that make you want to
rob the store were countered/blocked by chemical reactions that stopped
you. In the case of those who did rob the store said counter-reactions
simply weren't strong enough and whose fault is that?
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> Ah but if you accept that we're simply rationalising actions already
> determined by our unconscious the chemical reactions that make you want to
> rob the store were countered/blocked by chemical reactions that stopped
> you. In the case of those who did rob the store said counter-reactions
> simply weren't strong enough and whose fault is that?
It doesn't matter so much whose fault it is, just that something should be
done to ensure that in the future that person has strong enough counter
reactions to stop them robbing the store. Making that person pay some money
or sit in jail for a while can have that effect.
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And lo On Mon, 08 Mar 2010 12:39:59 -0000, scott <sco### [at] scott com> did
spake thusly:
>> Ah but if you accept that we're simply rationalising actions already
>> determined by our unconscious the chemical reactions that make you want
>> to rob the store were countered/blocked by chemical reactions that
>> stopped you. In the case of those who did rob the store said
>> counter-reactions simply weren't strong enough and whose fault is that?
>
> It doesn't matter so much whose fault it is, just that something should
> be done to ensure that in the future that person has strong enough
> counter reactions to stop them robbing the store. Making that person
> pay some money or sit in jail for a while can have that effect.
But you're punishing them for something that's not their fault ;-)
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Phil Cook v2 a écrit :
> And lo On Mon, 08 Mar 2010 12:39:59 -0000, scott <sco### [at] scott com> did
> spake thusly:
>
>>> Ah but if you accept that we're simply rationalising actions already
>>> determined by our unconscious the chemical reactions that make you
>>> want to rob the store were countered/blocked by chemical reactions
>>> that stopped you. In the case of those who did rob the store said
>>> counter-reactions simply weren't strong enough and whose fault is that?
>>
>> It doesn't matter so much whose fault it is, just that something
>> should be done to ensure that in the future that person has strong
>> enough counter reactions to stop them robbing the store. Making that
>> person pay some money or sit in jail for a while can have that effect.
>
> But you're punishing them for something that's not their fault ;-)
>
But there is no free will on the judge either, and it's a normal
application of the system on the robber: the system is punishing itself,
that just the way it is. There is not enough counter-reaction in the
judge to not apply the letter of the law.
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>> It doesn't matter so much whose fault it is, just that something should
>> be done to ensure that in the future that person has strong enough
>> counter reactions to stop them robbing the store. Making that person
>> pay some money or sit in jail for a while can have that effect.
>
> But you're punishing them for something that's not their fault ;-)
Oh come on, you're speaking like these are real people with feelings and
free will, not simple machines that are just carrying out chemical reactions
:-) The person's brain has a fault, it can be fixed by taking it to a jail
for a while until it's reprogrammed itself sufficiently. Just like you take
your PC to a shop when it's misbehaving :-D
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And lo On Mon, 08 Mar 2010 16:10:09 -0000, scott <sco### [at] scott com> did
spake thusly:
>>> It doesn't matter so much whose fault it is, just that something
>>> should be done to ensure that in the future that person has strong
>>> enough counter reactions to stop them robbing the store. Making that
>>> person pay some money or sit in jail for a while can have that effect.
>>
>> But you're punishing them for something that's not their fault ;-)
>
> Oh come on, you're speaking like these are real people with feelings and
> free will, not simple machines that are just carrying out chemical
> reactions :-) The person's brain has a fault, it can be fixed by taking
> it to a jail for a while until it's reprogrammed itself sufficiently.
> Just like you take your PC to a shop when it's misbehaving :-D
'Hmm seems you have a error in your personality matrix'
'But I feel fine Dave'
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