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From: Patrick Elliott
Subject: Re: HDMI cable confusion/paranoia
Date: 10 Mar 2010 03:10:29
Message: <4b9753f5@news.povray.org>
On 3/8/2010 2:10 PM, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>> Out of curiosity, which country do you live in?
>>>
>> The US. Why?
>
> I think the situation is slightly different in the UK.
>
> But sure, I'll go with your basic premis. There's a lot of free stuff
> that you used to have to pay for.
>
> (I don't know about you, but where I am, at least 25% of the channels
> have "+1" in their name. Yes, that's right. They rebroadcast the stuff
> again in case you missed it the first time - even though that was in
> 1970 or so...)
>
Actually wish we had some that re-ran stuff. Missed House last week, due 
to some sort of crisis/upgrade to the cable system, and it takes 8 days 
for it to run up on Hulu. lol

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From: Patrick Elliott
Subject: Re: HDMI cable confusion/paranoia
Date: 10 Mar 2010 03:12:31
Message: <4b97546f$1@news.povray.org>
On 3/9/2010 1:27 AM, scott wrote:
>> Hate to tell you, but with some exceptions, most of those channels
>> **did** exists, you just had to be bloody stinking rich, or have an
>> illegal satellite unit, to watch them.
>
> Maybe in the US. In the UK we only got a satellite service around 1990,
> and cable TV much later which still is not popular at all. The majority
> of people used terrestrial receivers to get the 4 available channels via
> analogue (they added a 5th, but bandwidth problems meant a lot of people
> couldn't get it properly), and recently ~50 channels via digital.
>
> In the UK, the only channels now that existed before digital TV are the
> ones that came over from Sky, like Sky News, Sky Sports News and CNN and
> the imported Viva channel (can't see anymore on the listings that might
> have existed earlier). All the rest (the majority) were either added as
> additions to the "big 4" analogue channels or created from scratch after
> digital TV came.
>
> The channel list is here:
>
> http://www.freeview.co.uk/freeview/Channels
>
>
So.. the old joke about going to Europe and having one one station, 
which showed nothing but how the local factory made cheese is true? lol

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     call functional_code();
   }
   else
     call crash_windows();
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From: scott
Subject: Re: HDMI cable confusion/paranoia
Date: 10 Mar 2010 03:38:43
Message: <4b975a93$1@news.povray.org>
> So.. the old joke about going to Europe and having one one station, which 
> showed nothing but how the local factory made cheese is true? lol

We have a joke that says the more TV channels you have the dumber you are. 
:-)

In the UK it seems that the poorer the area the more likely they are to have 
satellite TV (that's just my observation).


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From: Phil Cook v2
Subject: Re: HDMI cable confusion/paranoia
Date: 10 Mar 2010 04:09:41
Message: <op.u9cg2ohdmn4jds@phils>
And lo On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 08:38:43 -0000, scott <sco### [at] scottcom> did  
spake thusly:

>> So.. the old joke about going to Europe and having one one station,  
>> which showed nothing but how the local factory made cheese is true? lol
>
> We have a joke that says the more TV channels you have the dumber you  
> are. :-)
>
> In the UK it seems that the poorer the area the more likely they are to  
> have satellite TV (that's just my observation).

I think that's when the BBC lost most of the football coverage to Sky and  
certain areas looked as if they'd suffered from an explosion in a  
satellite dish factory.

Can't do without the footie!

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From: Phil Cook v2
Subject: Re: HDMI cable confusion/paranoia
Date: 10 Mar 2010 04:17:26
Message: <op.u9chfkzumn4jds@phils>
And lo On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 08:10:25 -0000, Patrick Elliott  
<sel### [at] npgcablecom> did spake thusly:

> On 3/8/2010 2:10 PM, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>>> Out of curiosity, which country do you live in?
>>>>
>>> The US. Why?
>>
>> I think the situation is slightly different in the UK.
>>
>> But sure, I'll go with your basic premis. There's a lot of free stuff
>> that you used to have to pay for.
>>
>> (I don't know about you, but where I am, at least 25% of the channels
>> have "+1" in their name. Yes, that's right. They rebroadcast the stuff
>> again in case you missed it the first time - even though that was in
>> 1970 or so...)
>>
> Actually wish we had some that re-ran stuff. Missed House last week, due  
> to some sort of crisis/upgrade to the cable system, and it takes 8 days  
> for it to run up on Hulu. lol

The +1 channels are quite useful as broadcasters still seem to be stuck in  
an age you had to watch a programme when it was on and thus schedule  
things to run against each other. I've lost count of the number of times  
I've gone to record something and my box has had to suggest recording it  
on the time-shifted channel to avoid clashes.

For re-run channels pretty much ITV3 and ITV4; Dave runs a lot and if I  
find myself with some spare time I can pretty much guarantee either it or  
Dave Ja Vu (+1) will be showing a old "Top Gear" episode. Classic shows  
though are confined to "Gold" which is subscription only.

There's some good stuff out there, just have to wade though a lot more  
dross to find it though.

I'm surprised it took so long to run "House" though, don't the channels  
offer an online catch-up service?

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From: Le Forgeron
Subject: Re: HDMI cable confusion/paranoia
Date: 10 Mar 2010 05:48:45
Message: <4b97790d$1@news.povray.org>
scott a écrit :
>> So.. the old joke about going to Europe and having one one station,
>> which showed nothing but how the local factory made cheese is true? lol
> 
> We have a joke that says the more TV channels you have the dumber you
> are. :-)
> 
The Quantity of Quality is constant, the more channels, the less part of
 Quality per channel.


> In the UK it seems that the poorer the area the more likely they are to
> have satellite TV (that's just my observation).

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From: Patrick Elliott
Subject: Re: HDMI cable confusion/paranoia
Date: 10 Mar 2010 15:34:34
Message: <4b98025a$1@news.povray.org>
On 3/10/2010 2:17 AM, Phil Cook v2 wrote:
> I'm surprised it took so long to run "House" though, don't the channels
> offer an online catch-up service?
>
Its something in the contract with the broadcaster or something. It 
"must" be delayed that long.

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   If Schrödingers_cat is alive or version > 98 {
     if version = "Vista" {
       call slow_by_half();
       call DRM_everything();
     }
     call functional_code();
   }
   else
     call crash_windows();
}

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From: scott
Subject: Re: HDMI cable confusion/paranoia
Date: 11 Mar 2010 05:26:35
Message: <4b98c55b$1@news.povray.org>
>> Yeah, that too. Wasn't 24 FPS chosen because it's the *minimum* frame 
>> rate that yields a believable illusion of motion?

Interesting paper from the BBC about higher frame rates:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/pubs/whp/whp169.shtml


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From: Phil Cook v2
Subject: Re: HDMI cable confusion/paranoia
Date: 11 Mar 2010 09:41:11
Message: <op.u9eq26cimn4jds@phils>
And lo On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 20:34:30 -0000, Patrick Elliott  
<sel### [at] npgcablecom> did spake thusly:

> On 3/10/2010 2:17 AM, Phil Cook v2 wrote:
>> I'm surprised it took so long to run "House" though, don't the channels
>> offer an online catch-up service?
>>
> Its something in the contract with the broadcaster or something. It  
> "must" be delayed that long.

Hmm I suppose it's run at different times in different areas, I can  
understand the owners not wanting it made available to anyone with an  
internet connection until they've rung all the money out of the standard  
broadcasters.

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From: Nicolas Alvarez
Subject: Re: HDMI cable confusion/paranoia
Date: 11 Mar 2010 11:59:13
Message: <4b992161$1@news.povray.org>
Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
>> Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>> (And that of course is the other undesirable thing about digital TV.
>>> There used to be, like, 5 channels, 4 of them containing high quality
>>> programming. Now there's 500 channels and they're *all* showing utter
>>> crap that nobody would ever want to watch...)
>> 
>> That has nothing to do with digital TV. It's just the drop of quality
>> programming happened at the same time. Correlation != causation.
> 
> The increase in available channels isn't related to the decrease in
> signal bandwidth per channel due to being digital?

I'm talking about *bad TV shows*, not bad image quality.


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