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>> Obviously, if I get a new job, I want them to pay me as much money as
>> humanly possible. But on the other hand, if I ask for £50k, they'll just
>> hire somebody else instead.
>
> Maybe, maybe not. Start by asking what they're offering, not by telling
> them what you think you should get.
A better place to start would be to ask what they're expecting me to do.
How much they're paying should obviously be related to how difficult the
work is...
>> And if I tell them that I currently work in
>> a highly-regulated environment which large amounts of responsibility for
>> just £14k, they'll just offer me £15k and say "take it or leave it"...
>
> Your current salary isn't their business, so don't tell them what you
> make.
The recruiters seem awfully keen to know what I make now and "what my
expectations are".
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Invisible wrote:
>> Your current salary isn't their business, so don't tell them what you
>> make.
>
> The recruiters seem awfully keen to know what I make now and "what my
> expectations are".
Crikey! Whatever you do don’t tell the truth. Multiply what you get by
at least 1.5.
--
Best Regards,
Stephen
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>> The recruiters seem awfully keen to know what I make now and "what my
>> expectations are".
>
> Crikey! Whatever you do don’t tell the truth. Multiply what you get by
> at least 1.5.
Well, I don't have to tell them what I make now. But it seems reasonable
for them to ask what I'm expecting to get paid - so I need to come up
with a number.
Unfortunately, it seems I either pick a number that's too high and they
say "sorry, the job we were going to offer to you doesn't pay that
much", or a number too low and I end up getting less money than I should
have.
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Invisible wrote:
>>> The recruiters seem awfully keen to know what I make now and "what my
>>> expectations are".
>>
>> Crikey! Whatever you do don’t tell the truth. Multiply what you get by
>> at least 1.5.
>
> Well, I don't have to tell them what I make now. But it seems reasonable
> for them to ask what I'm expecting to get paid - so I need to come up
> with a number.
>
> Unfortunately, it seems I either pick a number that's too high and they
> say "sorry, the job we were going to offer to you doesn't pay that
> much", or a number too low and I end up getting less money than I should
> have.
Yes, that the decision you have to make.
--
Best Regards,
Stephen
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On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 10:55:10 +0000, Invisible wrote:
>>> Obviously, if I get a new job, I want them to pay me as much money as
>>> humanly possible. But on the other hand, if I ask for £50k, they'll
>>> just hire somebody else instead.
>>
>> Maybe, maybe not. Start by asking what they're offering, not by
>> telling them what you think you should get.
>
> A better place to start would be to ask what they're expecting me to do.
> How much they're paying should obviously be related to how difficult the
> work is...
Well, partially - there are other factors as well, of course, such as
your skill level.
>>> And if I tell them that I currently work in a highly-regulated
>>> environment which large amounts of responsibility for just £14k,
>>> they'll just offer me £15k and say "take it or leave it"...
>>
>> Your current salary isn't their business, so don't tell them what you
>> make.
>
> The recruiters seem awfully keen to know what I make now and "what my
> expectations are".
"not enough" and "more".
Just because they ask doesn't mean they're entitled to know.
Jim
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On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 12:16:11 +0000, Invisible wrote:
> Unfortunately, it seems I either pick a number that's too high and they
> say "sorry, the job we were going to offer to you doesn't pay that
> much",
Then you ask them what they're offering.
That's "negotiation".
Jim
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Invisible wrote:
> Unfortunately, it seems I either pick a number that's too high and they
> say "sorry, the job we were going to offer to you doesn't pay that
> much", or a number too low and I end up getting less money than I should
> have.
Whoever is the first to give a number loses. That's why recruiters ask you.
You're not their customer. You're their product.
A good answer when they ask is "I expect above the industry average" or
"Industry standard wages would be good." Don't give them a number, because
you don't know a number, because they haven't offered you a job yet. After
they offer you the job, you can give them a number that makes sense for the
amount of work, the distance of the commute, the cost of living in the city
where the job is, the intangible benefits at the workplace, etc.
If they insist, tell them you insist on knowing how long it'll take for them
to find you a job first.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
The question in today's corporate environment is not
so much "what color is your parachute?" as it is
"what color is your nose?"
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Darren New wrote:
> Whoever is the first to give a number loses.
Just like in fighting...
> That's why recruiters ask
> you. You're not their customer. You're their product.
Heh, there is that.
I'm just surprised that this particular recruiter seemed to *have* a
clue about the subject in question. Usually you get the strong
impression while talking to these people that they have no idea what the
hell the stuff on your CV means, they're just trying to see if it looks
similar to the stuff on the job spec. This recruiter seemed to
understand what I'm talking about...
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Invisible wrote:
> This recruiter seemed to understand what I'm talking about...
That's a good recruiter, then. You can probably use the "industry standard"
line on them, and explain you don't want to give a number because you don't
know anything about the job.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
The question in today's corporate environment is not
so much "what color is your parachute?" as it is
"what color is your nose?"
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Invisible wrote:
> Darren New wrote:
>
>> Whoever is the first to give a number loses.
>
> Just like in fighting...
>
Not necessarily so. In judo there is a saying that the first person to
take hold, wins.
--
Best Regards,
Stephen
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