Eero Ahonen wrote:
> Luckily you did have a snapshot from before running the updates. Right?

Running the updates was approximately the first thing I did after 
downloading and installing the new image, so yeah.

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On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 15:11:33 +0000, Orchid XP v8 wrote:

>>> I hear that Windows 2003 Server (?) comes with a "hypervisor" which
>>> runs on the real metal, and then 2003 itself actually runs as a
>>> paravirtualised guest. Or something like that...
>> 
>> It can as long as the system hosting supports the right virtualization
>> technology.
> 
> Well, if it's para-virtualisation rather than "full" virtualisation,
> then yeah, the guest OS has to know it's paravirtualised. ;-)

It also has to know the hardware supports it. ;-)

Jim

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On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 15:20:27 +0000, Orchid XP v8 wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
> 
>> Can i say "I told you so"? ;-)
> 
> Can you say how to make the VMware Tools for Linux actually install? :-P

What guest OS?

> VMware doesn't recognise the KNOPPIX ISO image as a Linux install disk.
> (Presumably because it's a cloop filesystem.) It also doesn't provide
> KNOPPIX or Debian as an install option (but does provide Ubuntu,
> weirdly). I think I selected "Other Linux 4.6.x". KNOPPIX installs fine,
> and then I try to install the VMware Tools...

I'm guessing Linux.  OK - so if you install knoppix on a VMware hard 
drive, go to the menu to install the VMware tools, and then look at 
what's mounted in the VM; you'll see a mounted ISO has shown up and has a 
tools installation script on it.

> Eventually discovered how to untar the tarball. Run the installer (Perl
> script). It runs, says it's installed, asks to run the configuration
> tool. When that runs, it tells me no precompiled binary is suitable for
> my kernel, do I want to try to build one? OK, sure... Where are the
> kernel headers? Um, no idea.

Well, that's what happens when you use a distro that's not officially 
supported - if you try the openSUSE 11.1 or 11.2 LiveCDs or installers, 
you should see the installation is much simpler.

Jim

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>>>> I hear that Windows 2003 Server (?) comes with a "hypervisor" which
>>>> runs on the real metal, and then 2003 itself actually runs as a
>>>> paravirtualised guest. Or something like that...
>>> It can as long as the system hosting supports the right virtualization
>>> technology.
>> Well, if it's para-virtualisation rather than "full" virtualisation,
>> then yeah, the guest OS has to know it's paravirtualised. ;-)
> 
> It also has to know the hardware supports it. ;-)

No, the way I understand it, paravirtualisation doesn't require any 
special hardware. (While full virtualisation does - unless you want to 
do software emulation...)

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Jim Henderson wrote:

> What guest OS?
> 
>> VMware doesn't recognise the KNOPPIX ISO image as a Linux install disk.
> 
> I'm guessing Linux.

Specifically, a Debian Linux live CD containing about 4.5GB of data on a 
cloop-compressed ISO-9660 filesystem squeezed onto a single live CD. (It 
also features a crapload of automatic hardware detection.) However, 
there is an opion to install to HD, uncompressed. Once you do that, it 
behaves more or less like a typical Debian installation.

> OK - so if you install knoppix on a VMware hard 
> drive, go to the menu to install the VMware tools, and then look at 
> what's mounted in the VM; you'll see a mounted ISO has shown up and has a 
> tools installation script on it.

Got that far.

>> Where are the kernel headers? Um, no idea.
> 
> Well, that's what happens when you use a distro that's not officially 
> supported - if you try the openSUSE 11.1 or 11.2 LiveCDs or installers, 
> you should see the installation is much simpler.

OK, I'll probably try that then.

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> Disk that's not allocated in the VM takes no space - unless it previously 
> held deleted files.  That's what the "shrink disk" option does - zeros 
> out unused sectors in the VM's disk and removes them from the disk file.

Apparently "shrink disk" only works if the VM has no snapshots. *sigh*

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Oh *sweet*. If you have VMtools installed, you can just drag and drop 
files from the VM to the real machine. How easy is that?!

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Mike Raiford wrote:

> Andrew, you should check out Virtual Box, too:
> 
> http://www.virtualbox.org/
> 
> Sun's offering of a VM. It comes in an OpenSource and binary flavor, and 
> can run on a variety of host systems. I've used it several times, and it 
> works nicely, and seems to run at a decent clip.

Thanks for the tip. :-)

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Mike Raiford wrote:

> Andrew, you should check out Virtual Box, too:
> 
> http://www.virtualbox.org/

I am a sick, sick individual. I'm trying out Virtual Box by running it 
INSIDE A VIRTUAL MACHINE! :-D

I created a VMware virtual machine, installed Windows, installed Virtual 
Box for Windows, and then created a Windows VM inside that.

Perhaps unsurprisingly, this doesn't actually *work*. (Presumably the 
CPU hardware doesn't support nested virtualisation...) But the program 
gets far enough for me to see what the user interface is like and what 
options are available, etc.

(I wonder... Is there some option I can flip inside VMware to make 
nested VMs work? Perhaps if I turn off hardware virtualisation or 
something...)

> Sun's offering of a VM. It comes in an OpenSource and binary flavor, and 
> can run on a variety of host systems. I've used it several times, and it 
> works nicely, and seems to run at a decent clip.

If you get the Open Source version, you have to somehow compile it 
yourself. (!!) I'll have to set up a Linux VM before I can try that...

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>> I think the only time was when I was running Windows 3.1 on a 286 with
>> 16MB of RAM, and I asked it to print out a 3D Mandelbrot graph I created
>> using VBA... That choked it.
> 
> 16-bit Excel (I actually didn't know one has even existed) already had VBA?

Well, I used both Word and Excel at school, long before any version of 
Windows higher than 3 existed...

As to VBA... I'm fairly sure it was still Windows 3.1 I was using when I 
did that. (If only because I remember seeing Windows 95 for the first 
time and thinking how totally different it was...)

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