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"Florian Pesth" <fpe### [at] gmx de> wrote in message
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> Am Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:11:42 -0500 schrieb Warp:
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> > Florian Pesth <fpe### [at] gmxde> wrote:
> >> If it is about forbidding
> >> muslims to have a tower to signal the start of a prayer - like
> >> christians do - than yes, I think this is xenophobic and the outcry of
> >> people in whole europe is fully justified.
> > Hence democracy is a bad thing because people can vote for the wrong
> > things.
> It's not democracy which is bad, but the people who want to get rid of it
> by abusing it.
If people are given a choice, it cannot be their fault if they don't pick
the "correct" choice. If you don't want them making the "wrong" decision,
don't present them any of the options.
The problem with democracy is that a lot of choices are too important to
leave to the general population. As a result, in democracies (constitutional
or otherwise), only the non-consequential decisions are left to the people,
and the more important a choice is, the more barriers are erected so that it
becomes harder for people to change things later.
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Warp wrote:
> andrel <a_l### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93n-EmGknEU
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> Maybe the means are not always correct, but at least someone is *trying*
> to do something about the world's problems instead of just sitting on their
> asses doing nothing and just hoping that the problems will solve themselves
> with enough appeasing and concessions.
>
You know.. On some of the more frustrating days, I hate ever watching
the Gundam series of anime. But, I damn well wish about 90% of the
frakking idiots I have to deal with in my life, and most of the
politicians did, and understood it. Its not enough, sadly, to just "do
something". Anything you do is likely to piss someone off in the
process, witness the reaction to Obama deciding to ditch Iraq, but try
to *actually* do something about Al Queda, so that 5 years from how
Afghanistan isn't worse than it was when we started, with *more*
terrorists, with new allies in neighboring countries, and an ever
greater desire to blow something up again. Many want it to just be over.
It will never be, so long as a) radicals are still in power, b) their
people still have no right to change things, and c) the easiest method
of keeping their people in check is to blame everything from lack of
rain to their kids not doing what they are told, on the "West", and
offering as a solution, "Lets blow those infidels up!". Its like a world
wide version of Survivor. You hope like hell that the ones that outlast,
outlive, etc., are good guys, but.. all too often its the sneaky
assholes that send other people off to do stupid things, which end up at
the top, and who ever it left standing, when the dust settles, goes
right back to trying to "fix" things by shooting each other, starting
more wars, blaming each other for things that are their own damn faults,
and generally never learning a damn thing in the process.
Occasionally we have a brief respite. One gained either via killing
every last idiot with a bad idea (which usually lasts less than a
century, due to someone rising up to kick out the people that did it),
or by allowing nearly *everything*, which Rome tried, until it got
converted to mono-theism, and the US tried, before the religious right
started trying to convert it to mono-theism, and so on. Mostly, that
later path works, but it invariably pisses off delusional, dangerous,
sometimes mentally disturbed, but *protected* people. Basically, one
falls because the moderates rise up to destroy the people that killed
all the crazies. The other falls, but more slowly, because no one is
allowed to just kill all the crazies, and sometimes they get enough
power to derail progress and start purging/disempowering the sane people.
It helps though if the people you are trying to purge are a) ignorant,
b) willing to give up, and c) able to be directed towards absurd
internal stupidities, and minor social issues, while ignoring everything
else. A isn't accurate, save in small pockets. B is even less true, with
an upsurge in people saying, "This is bullshit!". And C... Well, sadly,
that one a lot of people still fall for, witness this year's early start
on the delusional defense against the non-existent war on a pagan
holiday, that was stolen and renamed, Christmas.
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