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From: scott
Subject: Re: Trivial trigonometry
Date: 2 Dec 2009 08:46:10
Message: <4b166fa2$1@news.povray.org>
> Probably not nearly as important as the error introduced by assuming both 
> star
> and bulb emit only in the visible.

Wikipedia can tell you the "luminous efficacy" of the sun (14%), a light 
bulb (2%) and LEDs (1.5-22%):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luminous_efficacy

Whilst the % values are not exactly the amount of radiation that is visible 
(it's weighted more towards green), it's a better approximation than 100% 
:-)


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Trivial trigonometry
Date: 2 Dec 2009 08:50:06
Message: <4b16708e$1@news.povray.org>
> Wikipedia can tell you the "luminous efficacy" of the sun (14%), a light 
> bulb (2%) and LEDs (1.5-22%):

Anybody happen to know the luminous efficacy of a glow worm?


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From: scott
Subject: Re: Trivial trigonometry
Date: 2 Dec 2009 08:53:09
Message: <4b167145$1@news.povray.org>
>> Wikipedia can tell you the "luminous efficacy" of the sun (14%), a light 
>> bulb (2%) and LEDs (1.5-22%):
>
> Anybody happen to know the luminous efficacy of a glow worm?

Man Wikipedia knows everything!  We should power our lights with glow worms!


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From: Bill Pragnell
Subject: Re: Trivial trigonometry
Date: 2 Dec 2009 09:05:00
Message: <web.4b1673116ad665b96dd25f0b0@news.povray.org>
"scott" <sco### [at] scottcom> wrote:
> >> Wikipedia can tell you the "luminous efficacy" of the sun (14%), a light
> >> bulb (2%) and LEDs (1.5-22%):
> >
> > Anybody happen to know the luminous efficacy of a glow worm?
>
> Man Wikipedia knows everything!  We should power our lights with glow worms!

All they need is a reflective cavity and a biochemical population inversion, and
we could have them in CD players too!


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Trivial trigonometry
Date: 2 Dec 2009 09:12:35
Message: <4b1675d3@news.povray.org>
>>> Anybody happen to know the luminous efficacy of a glow worm?
>> Man Wikipedia knows everything!  We should power our lights with glow worms!
> 
> All they need is a reflective cavity and a biochemical population inversion, and
> we could have them in CD players too!

...so I'm guessing it's quiet efficient then? (Mother Nature has an 
uncanny way of doing this, it seems.)

Given the number of genetically engineered organisms which glow, I'm 
guessing scientists have a good idea of how this works. Maybe 
electronically-controlled glowing algae or something isn't so 
far-fetched. (I hate to think what the component lifetime would be though!)


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Trivial trigonometry
Date: 2 Dec 2009 10:34:05
Message: <4b1688ec@news.povray.org>
Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> No. The "interference" is caused not by the particle, but by the slits.

  How does the photon know there was another slit nearby, and behave
differently if that was so?

-- 
                                                          - Warp


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Trivial trigonometry
Date: 2 Dec 2009 10:38:55
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Patrick Elliott <sel### [at] npgcablecom> wrote:
> Warp wrote:
> > when the state of the particle is "observed" (whatever that might mean)

> Merely that you have done something to it which changes its unknown 
> state, usually causing it to make contact with another particle(s), such 
> as a detector.

  I think the Copenhagen interpretation goes beyond that. If the decay of
the radioactive substance causes the flask to be broken, killing the cat,
it has already been "observed" (by whatever detector caused the flask to
be broken) and thus there are no superimposed states, but according to
the Copenhagen interpretation there are, until some external observer opens
the box.

  That's the kind of "observation" I don't understand.

-- 
                                                          - Warp


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Trivial trigonometry
Date: 2 Dec 2009 10:40:45
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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> Warp wrote:
> >   It looks like a wave, it behaves like a wave, it produces all the effects
> > that a wave would produce, but it's not a wave.

> By the way, just so you know, this sort of statement comes across to me as 
> sarcastic, as if you're ridiculing my statements. I don't know if that's 
> your intention here, but that's why after a number of exchanges I sometimes 
> get ruder than I need to be. I don't know if it's a communication issue or 
> you getting frustrated at my inability to explain quantum mechanics in a 
> 2-paragraph post ;-) but sometimes when you don't agree, your expressions of 
> that lack of agreement (not necessarily disagreement, mind) sound sarcastic.

  It was not sarcasm, it was puzzlement.

-- 
                                                          - Warp


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From: scott
Subject: Re: Trivial trigonometry
Date: 2 Dec 2009 11:37:19
Message: <4b1697bf$1@news.povray.org>
>> No. The "interference" is caused not by the particle, but by the slits.
>
>  How does the photon know there was another slit nearby, and behave
> differently if that was so?

If you could answer exactly how a photon "knows" where it can and can't go 
then you'd probably become quite famous.


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Trivial trigonometry
Date: 2 Dec 2009 11:48:32
Message: <4b169a60$1@news.povray.org>
Warp wrote:
> Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
>> No. The "interference" is caused not by the particle, but by the slits.
> 
>   How does the photon know there was another slit nearby, and behave
> differently if that was so?

Nobody knows.

-- 
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   Human nature dictates that toothpaste tubes spend
   much longer being almost empty than almost full.


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