On 24-11-2009 10:17, Invisible wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
> 
>> Not just outside MK, but outside the immediate area.  You are still 
>> stuck on this idea that you couldn't possibly afford a house, so you 
>> don't bother to look at places where they might actually pay you 
>> enough to afford a house (or a flat).
> 
> You don't seem to get it, do you? I *like* MK. I don't want to leave. 
> It's the only place in the UK I've found that isn't old and crappy.
> 
>> But broadening your search to look for a different career also 
>> wouldn't be a bad way to increase the odds of finding something.
> 
> Well, it's a case of facing facts. Who the hell needs programmers? 
> Nobody. Who needs someone to look after their computers? Quite a lot of 
> people...
I need a programmer, someone who knows how to handle procedures, someone 
with experience in 3D, someone able to work in a multidisciplinary team, 
someone to keep us focussed, someone with knowledge of anatomy, and 
indeed a sysop for a small group.
Salary with your CV, I am guessing, around €3000 per month or slightly 
less. Before tax.
Need not all be present in one person, there will be 2 positions to 
fill. And there will be at least two other persons that are able to 
perform sysop like tasks.
But I think we established that you would not even consider moving to 
Amsterdam.

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On 24-11-2009 15:58, Invisible wrote:
> Heh. Sure. I mean, just turn my back on everyone and everything I have 
> ever cared about in this world

Interesting.

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On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 09:17:25 +0000, Invisible wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
> 
>> Not just outside MK, but outside the immediate area.  You are still
>> stuck on this idea that you couldn't possibly afford a house, so you
>> don't bother to look at places where they might actually pay you enough
>> to afford a house (or a flat).
> 
> You don't seem to get it, do you? I *like* MK. I don't want to leave.
> It's the only place in the UK I've found that isn't old and crappy.

And at the same time, you say "I don't want to get the crap kicked out of 
me by standing up for myself" - which to me DOESN'T sound like that great 
of a place to live.  Unless you like living in fear of having the crap 
kicked out of you for standing up for yourself.

I understand that there are things you like about MK.  I also understand 
that you haven't actually seen a lot of the world, so your decision-
making being based on what you know is what's limiting you.

>> But broadening your search to look for a different career also wouldn't
>> be a bad way to increase the odds of finding something.
> 
> Well, it's a case of facing facts. Who the hell needs programmers?
> Nobody. Who needs someone to look after their computers? Quite a lot of
> people...

Nobody in MK perhaps, which is why you maybe need to broaden your search 
parameters - and not just by fields, but by geography.

That's my point, and one you have rather persistently not seen.

Jim

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On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 14:53:33 +0000, Stephen wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
> 
>> Not just outside MK, but outside the immediate area.  You are still
>> stuck
> 
> He is in KIP!

LOL

> Off Topic for this thread but it saves me starting another one and in
> this green society that gives me brownie points and points mean?
> 
> ISIHAC Series 52, Episode 2 has an interesting game of Mornington
> Crescent. It can be heard for 12 more days at
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00ny7n8

Yay!  We listened to Ep1, and I was wondering when we were finally going 
to get an episode of MC.  Will grab it (should have shown up on uknova by 
now?).

Jim

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On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 14:58:51 +0000, Invisible wrote:

> scott wrote:
>>>> Or a different city. Move to San Francisco.
>>>
>>> Sure. Or I could just top myself now. Probably a lot simpler. :-P
>> 
>> Apply for a job in SF, they give you a telephone interview, then pay
>> for your flight and hotel to do a face-to-face interview.  Then they
>> offer you the job, obviously including relocation expenses.  You take a
>> flight there, stay in a hotel for a couple of weeks until you find a
>> house/apartment, then arrange to have the rest of your stuff shipped
>> over.  Job done.  People do this all the time, it's no big deal.  If it
>> turns out you hate it then move back after 6 months or whatever.
> 
> Heh. Sure. I mean, just turn my back on everyone and everything I have
> ever cared about in this world, travel thousands of miles to somewhere
> where I don't even know what the laws are never mind the local customs,
> and live in total isolation for the rest of my life (or at least until I
> decide I want to stop). I'm sure people do it every day. :-}

Hey, we're planning to move to Scotland in the next few years.  People do 
this quite regularly.

Jim

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On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 13:01:15 +0000, Invisible wrote:

>>>> Or a different city. Move to San Francisco.
>>>
>>> Sure. Or I could just top myself now. Probably a lot simpler. :-P
>> 
>> Do you realise that you have just dissed the most important country in
>> the world. Expect cruse missiles over MK by tonight :p
> 
> Hey, some *other* people might like San Francisco. Especially if they
> like wearing flowers in their hair. But that's not my style...

Then you don't understand what SF is all about very well, and you're 
prejudging based on, I don't know, movies you've seen that are supposedly 
set in SF?

Jim

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Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 14:53:33 +0000, Stephen wrote:
> 
>
> Yay!  We listened to Ep1, and I was wondering when we were finally going 
> to get an episode of MC.  Will grab it (should have shown up on uknova by 
> now?).
> 
> Jim

I won’t spoil it for you :)

-- 

Best Regards,
	Stephen

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>>> Do you realise that you have just dissed the most important country in
>>> the world. Expect cruse missiles over MK by tonight :p
>> Hey, some *other* people might like San Francisco. Especially if they
>> like wearing flowers in their hair. But that's not my style...
> 
> Then you don't understand what SF is all about very well, and you're 
> prejudging based on, I don't know, movies you've seen that are supposedly 
> set in SF?

The thing about the flowers was supposed to be entertaining. I'm just 
saying that, while other people might like it, I personally don't want 
to live in SF.

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>> You don't seem to get it, do you? I *like* MK. I don't want to leave.
>> It's the only place in the UK I've found that isn't old and crappy.
> 
> And at the same time, you say "I don't want to get the crap kicked out of 
> me by standing up for myself" - which to me DOESN'T sound like that great 
> of a place to live.  Unless you like living in fear of having the crap 
> kicked out of you for standing up for yourself.

Surely that's the some everywhere though? I mean, whether you're in 
London, Paris or Rome, upsetting people generally isn't a good idea.

> I understand that there are things you like about MK.  I also understand 
> that you haven't actually seen a lot of the world, so your decision-
> making being based on what you know is what's limiting you.

I've been to a number of random cities around the country. Hell, I've 
even been to places in other countries. The nice thing about Switzerland 
is the skiing. But if it weren't for the skiing and the snow, there 
would be absolutely no reason to go there - and I would certainly never 
ever want to live there, even if it were somehow possible to ski every 
single day, all year round.

Similarly, I enjoy visiting places in London such as the Natural History 
Museum and the Royal Albert Hall, but London itself is an unpleasent 
inconvenience that I have to go through to get to these places. It's 
certainly not somewhere I'd choose to hang around.

And then there are places like Liverpool and Lincoln, which I also only 
visit because there's something there I want. I certainly don't hang 
around for the city itself. Brrr!

>> Well, it's a case of facing facts. Who the hell needs programmers?
>> Nobody. Who needs someone to look after their computers? Quite a lot of
>> people...
> 
> Nobody in MK perhaps, which is why you maybe need to broaden your search 
> parameters - and not just by fields, but by geography.
> 
> That's my point, and one you have rather persistently not seen.

Well sure, if I go live in London I'm sure there are bucket-loads of 
programming jobs. The point is that I don't *want* to ever have to live 
in London if humanly possible. What's complicated about that?

Hell, if I move to Germany, I could hypothetically go work for Native 
Instruments. (I mean, if it weren't for the fact that this is obviously 
impossible.) But then I'd have to live in Germany, which would kind of 
negate the benefits.

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> Surely that's the some everywhere though? I mean, whether you're in 
> London, Paris or Rome, upsetting people generally isn't a good idea.

In most UK cities though, it seems that "casually glancing at someone" 
counts as trying to start a fight if they've had a few drinks - I've not 
seen that anywhere else.  In fact the general level of drunken violence I 
have not seen anywhere outside of the UK (apart from where British people 
go, eg away football matches and holiday resorts).  That is one thing I 
certainly don't miss about the UK.

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