On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:24:58 +0000, Invisible wrote:

> Actually, I've been thinking about this one. Maybe I'm setting my sights
> too high. Maybe I just need to accept that nobody is ever going to pay
> me to write computer programs, and start looking for boring sysadmin
> jobs instead... Those surely have drastically greater availability, and
> at least I can claim to have real, relevant commercial experience.

You maybe just need to broaden your search a bit.  Like looking outside 
of Milton Keynes for a start.

Jim

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>> Actually, I've been thinking about this one. Maybe I'm setting my sights
>> too high. Maybe I just need to accept that nobody is ever going to pay
>> me to write computer programs, and start looking for boring sysadmin
>> jobs instead... Those surely have drastically greater availability, and
>> at least I can claim to have real, relevant commercial experience.
> 
> You maybe just need to broaden your search a bit.  Like looking outside 
> of Milton Keynes for a start.

For the twenty-eight time, I have *already* tried looking outside of 
just MK. There are several other potential places within range (notably 
Oxford). I'm just not finding much worth applying for in terms of 
programming. Hence my suggestion that perhaps I need to look for a 
different career.

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Darren New wrote:

> Stefan Viljoen wrote:
>> Hmm probably thousands, in several countries?
> 
> Seriously?  Amazon hires thousands of people just for the christmas
> season, let alone all year. You really don't fill 43 orders per second
> with
> "thousands" of people. :-)  It also doesn't count Mehcanical Turk. ;-)

Yikes! Ok, I stand corrected.

> Google has 20,000 employees, but with about a 10%-30% turnover each year.

Yikes squared. Its scary - commercial companies that have more employees 
than there are people in many of the countries around here's entire 
government services. 

-- 
Stefan Viljoen

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Invisible wrote:
> different career.

Or a different city. Move to San Francisco.

-- 
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   Is God willing to prevent naglams, but unable?
     Then he is not omnipotent.
   Is he able, but not willing, to prevent naglams?
     Then he is malevolent.

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On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 09:40:31 +0000, Invisible wrote:

> For the twenty-eight time, I have *already* tried looking outside of
> just MK. There are several other potential places within range (notably
> Oxford). I'm just not finding much worth applying for in terms of
> programming. Hence my suggestion that perhaps I need to look for a
> different career.

Not just outside MK, but outside the immediate area.  You are still stuck 
on this idea that you couldn't possibly afford a house, so you don't 
bother to look at places where they might actually pay you enough to 
afford a house (or a flat).

But broadening your search to look for a different career also wouldn't 
be a bad way to increase the odds of finding something.

Jim

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>> different career.
> 
> Or a different city. Move to San Francisco.

Sure. Or I could just top myself now. Probably a lot simpler. :-P

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Jim Henderson wrote:

> Not just outside MK, but outside the immediate area.  You are still stuck 
> on this idea that you couldn't possibly afford a house, so you don't 
> bother to look at places where they might actually pay you enough to 
> afford a house (or a flat).

You don't seem to get it, do you? I *like* MK. I don't want to leave. 
It's the only place in the UK I've found that isn't old and crappy.

> But broadening your search to look for a different career also wouldn't 
> be a bad way to increase the odds of finding something.

Well, it's a case of facing facts. Who the hell needs programmers? 
Nobody. Who needs someone to look after their computers? Quite a lot of 
people...

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Invisible wrote:
>>> different career.
>>
>> Or a different city. Move to San Francisco.
> 
> Sure. Or I could just top myself now. Probably a lot simpler. :-P

Do you realise that you have just dissed the most important country in 
the world. Expect cruse missiles over MK by tonight :p

-- 

Best Regards,
	Stephen

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>>> Or a different city. Move to San Francisco.
>>
>> Sure. Or I could just top myself now. Probably a lot simpler. :-P
> 
> Do you realise that you have just dissed the most important country in 
> the world. Expect cruse missiles over MK by tonight :p

Hey, some *other* people might like San Francisco. Especially if they 
like wearing flowers in their hair. But that's not my style...

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>> Or a different city. Move to San Francisco.
>
> Sure. Or I could just top myself now. Probably a lot simpler. :-P

Apply for a job in SF, they give you a telephone interview, then pay for 
your flight and hotel to do a face-to-face interview.  Then they offer you 
the job, obviously including relocation expenses.  You take a flight there, 
stay in a hotel for a couple of weeks until you find a house/apartment, then 
arrange to have the rest of your stuff shipped over.  Job done.  People do 
this all the time, it's no big deal.  If it turns out you hate it then move 
back after 6 months or whatever.

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