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From: Nicolas Alvarez
Subject: Re: Modern Linux desktops suck
Date: 18 Nov 2009 13:47:33
Message: <4b044145$1@news.povray.org>
clipka wrote:
> Ah, while we're ranting anyway...
> 
> Why the **** does /no/ graphical user interface provide a way to
> rearrange the running programs in taskbar?! I mean, that shouldn't be
> /too/ difficult to implement, right?

Get Taskix for Windows.

For KDE, I heard they're working on it... But since the taskbar is just 
another plasmoid, I think you could "easily" write your own. Even in an 
interpreted language.


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From: Nicolas Alvarez
Subject: Re: Modern Linux desktops suck
Date: 18 Nov 2009 13:52:21
Message: <4b044265$1@news.povray.org>
Darren New wrote:
> Neeum Zawan wrote:
>>     Why do people have icons on their desktop?
> 
> I only have stuff I'm working on. It bugs me to no end that I'll download
> something and it'll get put in some obscure "downloads" directory. No, I'd
> like to work on it. I have icons on my desktop just like I have papers and
> pens and coffee mugs on my desktop.
> 
> I don't put *programs* on my desktop, like so many others do.
> 
> If you want really quick access, that's what the "quick start" bar is for.
> And honestly I only ever use that at work where it's the same 4 programs
> I'm using to do my job over and over.

KDE4 desktop doesn't support icons anymore. The feature was removed.

Instead, there is a "folder view" plasmoid that you can put anywhere on the 
desktop, and shows the contents of an arbitrary folder.

If that folder happens to be ~/Desktop, and the plasmoid is resized to cover 
the entire screen, you get quite close to the previous behavior. But who 
would want *that*? Now you have way more flexibility!


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: MS Windows
Date: 18 Nov 2009 13:56:06
Message: <4b044346$1@news.povray.org>
Tim Cook wrote:
> This has been hit upon a few times in this thread, and Windows can do a 
> stay-on-top thing...if you're using particular skins with WindowBlinds. 

Interestingly, i read about one person's travails with trying to get the Mac 
to do this. Apparently, because the Mac application software is written 
expecting the window with focus to be the window on top, giving focus to 
lower in the stack breaks a number of things like menu accelerators and so 
on, because the app's menus aren't initialized unless the app is on top. So 
if the app gets a key and looks thru the menus to see if it is a menu 
shortcut, it can crash.

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
     Is God willing to prevent phrogams, but not able?
       Then he is not omnipotent.
     Is he able, but not willing, to prevent phrogams?
       Then he is malevolent.


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From: Bill Pragnell
Subject: Re: MS Windows
Date: 18 Nov 2009 16:25:01
Message: <web.4b0465dd145bbe84833d20230@news.povray.org>
Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> Bill Pragnell wrote:
> > Windows does have a system clipboard - something that RISCOS lacked. Then again,
> > it didn't really need it, given the behaviour I described - you could save any
> > selection in most apps so I guess the question never arose.
>
> It sounds more like "RISCOS presented a drag-and-drop UI for the clipboard." :-)

:D


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From: andrel
Subject: Re: MS Windows
Date: 18 Nov 2009 16:29:24
Message: <4B046733.7060504@hotmail.com>
On 18-11-2009 19:01, Stephen wrote:
> Darren New wrote:
>> Aydan wrote:
>>> Drag whatever you want to drag onto the target app's taskbar button 
>>> and that app
>>> will get focus and then drop it in there.
>>
>> Oh my. I'll have to try that next time. A new trick. :-)
>>
> 
> It is amazing the *new* things you learn from watching other people work :)
> 
> BTW don’t try to drop the target on the target app's taskbar button. 
> Windows whinges like a POM :)

Don't know what that acronym means but it is one of those surprising 
windows things. It known what goes wrong but refuses to behave as expected.


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From: andrel
Subject: Re: MS Windows
Date: 18 Nov 2009 17:19:41
Message: <4B0472FC.9060309@hotmail.com>
On 18-11-2009 18:34, Darren New wrote:
> Invisible wrote:
>> What can I say? Word sucks. :-)
> 
> Actually, metafile is standard on Windows and is pretty much the same 
> thing as "PICT" format on Macs. It's a list of the graphics 
> operations/calls it takes to produce something, so it's basically 
> postscript-like - a list of resolution-independent instructions.  
> Without being a full-blown language.
> 
> You can get a metafile out of any program by printing. That's what the 
> "save to file" on the print dialog means.
> 
Are you talking about the format where it first rounds the vertices to 
the nearest pixel on screen before output or are you talking about 
another vector format that I totally missed?


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: MS Windows
Date: 18 Nov 2009 18:00:54
Message: <4b047ca6$1@news.povray.org>
andrel wrote:
> Are you talking about the format where it first rounds the vertices to 
> the nearest pixel on screen before output or are you talking about 
> another vector format that I totally missed?

I think it depends how you save it. It's the graphics context recording the 
stuff, so it gets rounded to whatever resolution the graphics context is 
using, I'd guess. I never really looked into it much past what I already 
described here.

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
     Is God willing to prevent phrogams, but not able?
       Then he is not omnipotent.
     Is he able, but not willing, to prevent phrogams?
       Then he is malevolent.


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Modern Linux desktops suck
Date: 18 Nov 2009 18:56:56
Message: <4b0489c8@news.povray.org>
clipka <ano### [at] anonymousorg> wrote:
> What I find 
> irritating is the functionality it has when routed to the desktop. First 
> because the functionality is pretty much different

  Not really all that different. You scroll the desktop.

> and secondly because 
> it may also affect what actually /is/ under the mouse cursor, as the 
> next turn of the wheel will bring up a different desktop with different 
> windows at different places. So that if for instance I scroll one 
> desktop too far, I may not be able to instantly scroll back, and may 
> have to find some empty desktop space first.

  Clicking on the same spot on screen doesn't always result in the same
effect either. It depends on what is there.

-- 
                                                          - Warp


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Modern Linux desktops suck
Date: 18 Nov 2009 19:21:24
Message: <4b048f84$1@news.povray.org>
Nicolas Alvarez schrieb:

>> Why the **** does /no/ graphical user interface provide a way to
>> rearrange the running programs in taskbar?! I mean, that shouldn't be
>> /too/ difficult to implement, right?
> 
> For KDE, I heard they're working on it... But since the taskbar is just 
> another plasmoid, I think you could "easily" write your own. Even in an 
> interpreted language.

For KDE, I found out that they actually /do/ have it by now... just need 
to switch off alphabetical sorting...

Heck, how many config options do they have?!? This is frightening :-)


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Modern Linux desktops suck
Date: 18 Nov 2009 19:29:54
Message: <4b049182$1@news.povray.org>
Nicolas Alvarez schrieb:

> KDE4 desktop doesn't support icons anymore. The feature was removed.

Not really. It just seems to be non-default...

> Instead, there is a "folder view" plasmoid that you can put anywhere on the 
> desktop, and shows the contents of an arbitrary folder.

... though it may technically be realized via a "full-screen plasmoid" 
of course.


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