>> Naming your daughter Delilah is... hell, why not go the whole hog and 
>> name her "Satan" or something? :-P
> 
> Apparently, some people have tried. I could not immediately find a link 
> to that particular incident, but these are somewhat related:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6937327.stm

Oh dear God help us all...

>
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2009/01/13/2009-01-13_report_child_named_adolf_hitler_removed_.html


...my God, just when you thought it couldn't get worse...

(Giving your child an unusual name is one thing. Pretending that a band 
of people didn't do something horrifyingly evil is another. And 
decorating your home with the bannar of said people is another thing 
again. WTF?)

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Fredrik Eriksson <fe79}--at--{yahoo}--dot--{com> wrote:
>
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2009/01/13/2009-01-13_report_child_named_adolf_hitler_removed_.html

  Three children are forcefully removed from their parents because one of
the children was named in a certain way? Where are the human rights
commissions?

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On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:46:42 +0100, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>
> Oh dear God help us all...

I am not sure he will be of much help with this; he is probably too  
occupied with his sports career.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_Shammgod



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Warp wrote:

>   Three children are forcefully removed from their parents because one of
> the children was named in a certain way? Where are the human rights
> commissions?

More like three children removed because their house is decorated with 
Swastikas.

But seriously, from this distance it's impossible to tell whether the 
authorities did they because they don't like the beliefs of the family, 
or because the family has actually been doing something more serious.

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On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 12:04:48 +0100, Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
>
>   Three children are forcefully removed from their parents because one of
> the children was named in a certain way? Where are the human rights
> commissions?

All of the children had Nazi-related names. Also, "Heath reportedly denies  
the Holocaust and their home is decorated with swastikas".

It is difficult to find detailed information about the case, but a  
neighbor is quoted in this article:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=6648877


I strongly doubt the authorities did not have more to go on than just the  
names.



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>  Three children are forcefully removed from their parents because one of
> the children was named in a certain way? 

I suspect it was not just because of the name.

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Fredrik Eriksson <fe79}--at--{yahoo}--dot--{com> wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 12:04:48 +0100, Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
> >
> >   Three children are forcefully removed from their parents because one of
> > the children was named in a certain way? Where are the human rights
> > commissions?

> All of the children had Nazi-related names. Also, "Heath reportedly denies  
> the Holocaust and their home is decorated with swastikas".

  I'm not questioning the rationality of the act. I'm questioning its
legality and constitutionality.

  Is there a codified law in the United States which states that if
parents have the "wrong" political opinion, decorate their home with
the "wrong" symbols and name their children with the "wrong" names,
it's ok to take the children away?

  If the answer is no, then no matter how horrible the situation might be,
taking the children away is illegal, unconstitutional and against basic
human rights.

  In a free, constitutional country you cannot be punished because of
having the wrong political opinions or decorating your home with the
wrong symbols. That's the whole point in freedom. When you start having
Orwellian thought crimes (either de jure or, as seems to be in this case,
de facto), you are eroding the very foundation of constitutional freedom
of opinion.

  This can also very quickly become a bad double standard: People who have
the "wrong" opinions are punished, for political reasons, while other people
are not, even though the actual *harm* being done might be same (or even
worse with some people who are not punished because the punishment would be
politically incorrect).

  For example, if some extremist muslim participates in protest marches
advocating the destruction of the western world and praising terrorism,
does the police go and take his children away? No, because that would be
politically incorrect. In this case freedom of opinion and expression
applies over the mental health of the children.

  If someone has nazi opinions and nazi symbols all over their home, does
the polic go and take his children away? It seems that yes. In this case
punishing people with nazi ideology is not politically incorrect and thus
acceptable.

  That's a double standard.

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>>>   Three children are forcefully removed from their parents because one of
>>> the children was named in a certain way? Where are the human rights
>>> commissions?
> 
>> All of the children had Nazi-related names. Also, "Heath reportedly denies  
>> the Holocaust and their home is decorated with swastikas".
> 
>   I'm not questioning the rationality of the act. I'm questioning its
> legality and constitutionality.
> 
>   Is there a codified law in the United States which states that if
> parents have the "wrong" political opinion, decorate their home with
> the "wrong" symbols and name their children with the "wrong" names,
> it's ok to take the children away?
> 
>   If the answer is no, then no matter how horrible the situation might be,
> taking the children away is illegal, unconstitutional and against basic
> human rights.

I think this was done because of something in addition to the political 
views.

But, as I say, we're too far away to be able to say with any certainty.

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>  Is there a codified law in the United States which states that if
> parents have the "wrong" political opinion, decorate their home with
> the "wrong" symbols and name their children with the "wrong" names,
> it's ok to take the children away?

No, but there's probably some general law that allows the authorities to 
take away the children if their parents are not considered to be capable of 
bringing up the child in a suitable manner.  Or some grey wooly wording like 
that :-)

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scott <sco### [at] scottcom> wrote:
> >  Is there a codified law in the United States which states that if
> > parents have the "wrong" political opinion, decorate their home with
> > the "wrong" symbols and name their children with the "wrong" names,
> > it's ok to take the children away?

> No, but there's probably some general law that allows the authorities to 
> take away the children if their parents are not considered to be capable of 
> bringing up the child in a suitable manner.  Or some grey wooly wording like 
> that :-)

  Which then means that what is and isn't illegal depends on what happens
to be politically correct that month.

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