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http://www.cracked.com/article/85_6-bullshit-facts-about-psychology-that-everyone-believes_p1
I was already aware of most of these, but it's still fun to hear them
described this way :)
Oh, and I especially like that below the section on polygraphs, there
was an ad for... a polygraph. Nice!
...Chambers
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Chambers wrote:
> Oh, and I especially like that below the section on polygraphs, there
> was an ad for... a polygraph. Nice!
<subliminal message>Sounds like you need adblock plus.</subliminal message>
--
Tim Cook
http://empyrean.freesitespace.net
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"Mr. Miyagi didn't teach the Karate Kid to believe in himself. He taught
him how to kick people in the fucking head."
Win.
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On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 10:42:30 +0100, Invisible <voi### [at] dev null> wrote:
>"Mr. Miyagi didn't teach the Karate Kid to believe in himself. He taught
>him how to kick people in the fucking head."
>
Oh! you swore!
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Regards
Stephen
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Chambers wrote:
>
http://www.cracked.com/article/85_6-bullshit-facts-about-psychology-that-everyone-believes_p1
>
>
> I was already aware of most of these, but it's still fun to hear them
> described this way :)
>
> Oh, and I especially like that below the section on polygraphs, there
> was an ad for... a polygraph. Nice!
>
> ...Chambers
The problem with #3 and NLP, is that they missed several of the other
things Derren Brown did, and only believed what he said in the voice
over at the end of the clip. That, and the video has some obvious
editing gaps where who-knows-what could have happened. The video also
emphasizes explaining the words he used, and not the physical cues. The
most obvious being the 'here, let me shake your hand, oops, I just put
your hand on the table and curled your fingers like on a handle bar just
when I say handle bar'. Take a second look at the video, and see how
many things in the background mimic the look of bike wheels. To someone
who never rode a bike, or wanted one, this would never work. To someone
who at some point wanted a bike, this would just be re-enforcement of
what he was about to say.
Does pattern re-enforcement, word association and mirroring work?
According to any psychologist I have asked, the answer has been yes. And
not on the subconscious mind, but on the conscious mind alone. NLP as it
is claimed is just over-reaching. But the tricks that NLP renamed and
packaged are not all bunk.
It wouldn't work in video alone, without visual cues, or in complete
silence and shoved into every 80th frame of a movie reel. However,
associating current situations with memories of happy stuff is a well
known advertising trick. Makes you feel good about the past and has you
thinking about their product which they hope, it isn't a guarantee, that
the next time you see their product you will want one because of this
happy memory. It isn't 100%, and they aren't counting on a reaction of
"Oh, this 'whatever' reminds me of my childhood." What they want is
"Hmm, I heard about this product somewhere, and it sounded good." It is
just easier to pick generic 'good' things, like vague memories of
'happy' than to pick something specific that would reach fewer people.
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On 08/25/09 00:49, Chambers wrote:
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http://www.cracked.com/article/85_6-bullshit-facts-about-psychology-that-everyone-believes_p1
Rule 1: Never take a Cracked.com article seriously. Seriously!
> I was already aware of most of these, but it's still fun to hear them
> described this way :)
"If You Let Your Anger Out, You'll Feel Better!"
I don't think the research is as categoric as he says. For example,
it's been shown that in marriages, if at least one spouse has a very
strong tendency to keep his irritation/anger hidden, the marriage is
more likely to end up in a divorce than in marriages where the couple
argues frequently.
Although perhaps if you go to the other extreme, the divorce rate goes
up again. My best guess is that the optimal is somewhere in the middle.
--
Feet Smell? Nose Run? Hey, you're upside down!
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Neeum Zawan wrote:
> "If You Let Your Anger Out, You'll Feel Better!"
>
> I don't think the research is as categoric as he says. For example,
> it's been shown that in marriages, if at least one spouse has a very
> strong tendency to keep his irritation/anger hidden, the marriage is
> more likely to end up in a divorce than in marriages where the couple
> argues frequently.
To be fair, they're not really saying that bottling up your emotions is
a good thing (though it sounds almost like that)... they're saying that
getting in the habit of violently expressing your anger is a bad thing.
...Chambers
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Neeum Zawan <m.n### [at] ieeeorg> wrote:
> I don't think the research is as categoric as he says. For example,
> it's been shown that in marriages, if at least one spouse has a very
> strong tendency to keep his irritation/anger hidden, the marriage is
> more likely to end up in a divorce than in marriages where the couple
> argues frequently.
Maybe it's just me, but somehow the *former* sounds better than the latter.
From the three possible options, keeping your anger in, which easily leads
to the second option, divorcing, and the third option being constantly arguing,
I would really prefer to end it if it just doesn't work. It makes no sense to
be constantly arguing and it's not healthy.
--
- Warp
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Sabrina Kilian wrote:
> The problem with #3 and NLP, is that they missed several of the other
> things Derren Brown did,
I thought the subliminal advertising bit he did (farther down on the right
of that page) was brilliant. Of course, it's possible it's all 100% staged,
but I don't think *all* of NLP is bogus. It's pretty easy to read someone
to tell if they're lying or not, for example, when you get good at it.
There's a reason professional poker players wear hats and sunglasses.
> Does pattern re-enforcement, word association and mirroring work?
> According to any psychologist I have asked, the answer has been yes. And
> not on the subconscious mind, but on the conscious mind alone.
So it only works if you notice the person is doing mirroring?
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
Understanding the structure of the universe
via religion is like understanding the
structure of computers via Tron.
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Chambers <Ben### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
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http://www.cracked.com/article/85_6-bullshit-facts-about-psychology-that-everyone-believes_p1
I wonder why it is so common for people to reverse the direction of
causality in so many things.
In the example in that page the most probable direction of cause and
consequence is, indeed, that success causes high self-esteem. However,
popular physchology has completely reversed this and claims that high
self-esteem causes success. If you think about it logically, it really
makes more sense in the former than the latter case.
This happens all the time, in all areas of life. Just as an example,
think about certain countries forcing democracy on other countries in
the hopes that democracy will bring peace to that country. Again, the
causality has been completely reversed here: It's not democracy which
brings peace. It's the other way around. You need peace *first*, and then
you might be able to build a democracy. It doesn't work in the other
direction.
--
- Warp
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