Tim Attwood schrieb:
> Then Outlook automatically "upgraded"
> itself to OE, disabling several funcions that
> I didn't use, so I never bothered trying to
> re-install.
>
> Not long after that IE7 started closing
> without warning on some pages, so
> I switched to Firefox (version 2 maybe?).
>
> After that I noticed that the computer
> wouldn't boot into safe mode, but booted
> into normal mode fine...
> so I backed everthing up more often, and
> then the computer stopped running.

All of that does *not* sound like the natural way of these programs 
acting (not even when presuming a good deal of the usual "Windows rot"), 
so I'm inclined to presume some malware to have been at work.

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> There are still plenty of folks whose clients don't have HTML support, or 
> stubborn oldtimers like me who disable HTML in their newsreaders.
>
> I don't know about the web interface, but if someone does *bold*, 
> /italics/ or _underline_, my news reader will render it appropriately 
> (albeit without removing the delimeters). Just write it this way and let 
> the people set their newsreader behavior the way they want it.

Couldn't your newsreader also be set up to render <b>bold</b> appropriately? 
Oh, wait, hang on...

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> I used to use Outlook with XP and IE7.
>
> Then Outlook automatically "upgraded"
> itself to OE, disabling several funcions that
> I didn't use, so I never bothered trying to
> re-install.

Huh? I've never heard of that before, millions of people worldwide rely on 
Outlook on their work machines to do far more than email on a day-to-day 
basis.  There's no way that MS is going to do anything like an automatic 
"upgrade" to OE unless they wanted to piss off a huge number of corporate 
customers who give them serious amounts of money.

Anyway, now OE has been renamed to Windows Live Mail (or maybe something 
else recently), so there should be less confusion between the free mail/news 
reader and Outlook.

Also, why would anyone use Outlook for simply reading email?  That seems a 
bit of an overkill.

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> Huh? I've never heard of that before, millions of people worldwide rely on 
> Outlook on their work machines to do far more than email on a day-to-day 
> basis.  There's no way that MS is going to do anything like an automatic 
> "upgrade" to OE unless they wanted to piss off a huge number of corporate 
> customers who give them serious amounts of money.

It happened because of MS Works, the full version of Office
was $400 so I got the lesser $99 "home" package which came
 with Word, Outlook, and Works. When Works updated beyond
minor versions it reinstalled over the old components, and
messed with the Outlook registry without notice. Essentially MS
thinks that anyone lacking the full Office license shouldn't have
Outlook, even if they purchased it separately.
I could have reinstalled to fix it, it just didn't matter much to me.
I did see a forum full of people upset about it, that's just the
way MS treats home customers sometimes.

> Anyway, now OE has been renamed to Windows Live Mail (or maybe something 
> else recently), so there should be less confusion between the free 
> mail/news reader and Outlook.

I haven't used Windows Live Mail, according to Wikipedia it has a number
of differences from Windows Mail. Such as support for web based email
Windows Live Hotmail, (just to keep everyone confused about the names).
And they made sure to remove local help files for poor guys
trying to get back online.

> Also, why would anyone use Outlook for simply reading email?  That seems a 
> bit of an overkill.

Mostly I wanted Word because there's a fair number of Word documents
here that came from elsewhere, but needed to be accessed/edited.
Outlook was just part of the package sale as MS marketed it.

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> I haven't used Windows Live Mail, according to Wikipedia it has a number
> of differences from Windows Mail. Such as support for web based email
> Windows Live Hotmail, (just to keep everyone confused about the names).

As far as I can tell, Windows Live Mail is exactly the same as Outlook 
Express, all the menus and dialog boxes are identical, it just has a 
different name in the title bar and a few extra buttons.

>> Also, why would anyone use Outlook for simply reading email?  That seems 
>> a bit of an overkill.
>
> Mostly I wanted Word because there's a fair number of Word documents
> here that came from elsewhere, but needed to be accessed/edited.
> Outlook was just part of the package sale as MS marketed it.

Why does installing Word mean you have to install Outlook?  I have installed 
MS Office loads of times and never once installed Outlook.  I don't 
understand why a home user would want to use it.

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scott schrieb:
> Also, why would anyone use Outlook for simply reading email?  That 
> seems a bit of an overkill.

The added value of being able to sync the address book with my PDA was 
the main reason for me, plus it came free with that PDA.

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> Why does installing Word mean you have to install Outlook?  I have 
> installed MS Office loads of times and never once installed Outlook.  I 
> don't understand why a home user would want to use it.

Well, I guess I didn't need to, but the checkbox in the installer
looked tempting, so I clicked it. It's sort of like eating a
Twinky, there's no nutritional value, but you eat it anyways.

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Tim Attwood wrote:
> It's sort of like eating a
> Twinky, there's no nutritional value, but you eat it anyways.

BLASPHEMER!  How DARE you suggest a Twinkie has no nutritional value!

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Tim Cook
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Neeum Zawan wrote:
> As for Gmail, I should have said "mail clients". Obviously, it doesn't
> matter too much what format online mail services use if they don't give
> you access to the actual files.

It's a web-based mail client.

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Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> Neeum Zawan wrote:
>> As for Gmail, I should have said "mail clients". Obviously, it doesn't
>> matter too much what format online mail services use if they don't give
>> you access to the actual files.
> 
> It's a web-based mail client.
> 

Yeah. THe point is that GMail doesn't store the mail in a standard format, 
either on their disks or on yours. They (now) give you standard ways of 
getting at it, tho, just like Outlook and OE do.

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    via religion is like understanding the
     structure of computers via Tron.

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