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scott wrote:
>> No, they still have the mirrors. Noisy buggers.
>
> And they cause vibration too. I like the feature on my 450D where you
> can lock up the mirror before taking the actual exposure, useful for
> astrophotography.
Yeah, this has a setting where you can delay the exposure to two seconds
after the mirror moves or something. Even the little point-and-shoots have
that now.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
"We'd like you to back-port all the changes in 2.0
back to version 1.0."
"We've done that already. We call it 2.0."
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On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 16:31:40 +0200, Darren New <dne### [at] san rrcom> wrote:
> scott wrote:
>>> No, they still have the mirrors. Noisy buggers.
>> And they cause vibration too. I like the feature on my 450D where you
>> can lock up the mirror before taking the actual exposure, useful for
>> astrophotography.
>
> Yeah, this has a setting where you can delay the exposure to two seconds
> after the mirror moves or something. Even the little point-and-shoots
> have that now.
A timed shutter release is not the same as mirror lock-up. Little
point-and-shoots do not even have mirrors.
Timed release is meant to give you time to take your hands off the camera.
To avoid vibrations from mirror slap you use mirror lock-up (typically
implied when using live-view).
If you want to see mirror slap in action:
http://jpearman.smugmug.com/gallery/8945351_aVDzo
--
FE
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Fredrik Eriksson wrote:
> A timed shutter release is not the same as mirror lock-up. Little
> point-and-shoots do not even have mirrors.
I know that. I was just pointing out it's a common need, even if for
different reasons (hands vs mirrors).
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
"We'd like you to back-port all the changes in 2.0
back to version 1.0."
"We've done that already. We call it 2.0."
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Am Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:55:48 -0400 schrieb clipka:
> This is my interpretation of the events:
>
> Virtually all of the former German Democratic Republic (aka East
> Germany) has had a rough time in the transition from socialism to
> capitalism; traditional markets in the Warsaw Pact countries became
> difficult to maintain due to the political shift, and also less
> profitable due to the adoption of the West German currency; the only
> existing footholds in the western world had been in niche markets for
> top-quality optics, which had been a welcome byproduct during the
> socialist era to get western money into the country, but weren't enough
> to sustain the whole optical industry that had developed in that area.
Yeah, that makes sense I guess. A lot of industries struggled in this
transition.
>
> The West German optical industry had basically been overrun by Asian
> products much earlier, and had already retreated into the niche markets
> of high-quality optics by the time Germany was re-united in 1989.
>
> The major reason was that the German companies had always been excellent
> at producing high-quality optics, but Asian companies (at that time
> mostly Japanese) were better at virtually everything else, like
> electronics, systems, and - last not least - pricing. With technical
> innovation in optics progressing slower than in those other fields, the
> German companies rather quickly fell behind on the end-user market, and
> had to give it up, retreating to production of highly specialized
> cameras as well as optics for other companies' high-quality ranges of
> products.
Ah, so I guess, the japanese companies could already be cheaper still
producing in Japan, and by the time they started producing in China (for
example) they had already won the market? Because I think just from know
how with enough effort the german companies could have competed - but
maybe thats also not true. And if f.e. Nikon produces lenses in China it
will be mostly the know how, which they sell. Anyway, that train has left
for german companies and I think there is nothing one can do now
(considering all patents and such :)).
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Am Wed, 22 Jul 2009 08:55:36 +0200 schrieb scott:
>> No, they still have the mirrors. Noisy buggers.
>
> And they cause vibration too. I like the feature on my 450D where you
> can lock up the mirror before taking the actual exposure, useful for
> astrophotography.
You do astrophotography? Nice! Do you have some pictures to show? (I
guess Munich itself is bad with light polution, but if you go to the
mountains you can avoid it?)
I can show some macros in exchange :).
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"Florian Pesth" <fpe### [at] gmxde> wrote in message
news:4a662a83$1@news.povray.org...
> IIRC Darren asked, why a DSLR is called *single* lens reflex camera. Just
> today I stumbled across this
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_lens_reflex
>
> Apparently the german company inventing this type of camera (or so says
> german wikipedia), Rollei, just closed down. In the end they seemed to
> make modern middle format cameras. It seems there are not many german
> companies around anymore in this business. Ok, there is Leica, but they
> are ridiculous expensive. Zeiss is mostly producing for industrial
> applications. A lot of companies around Dresden closed down. It seems all
> this industry was excelled by japanese companies. I wonder why - I mean I
> can name several excellent japanese companies (and I'm very satisfied
> with my Nikon D80) but if I would want to buy an excellent german DSLR I
> simply couldn't because no one here makes it anymore. The thing is, that
> there was a lot of optical industry and know how in germany. Did they
> simply slumber it? Anyone know why they lost?
The Japanese woke up after WWII and their camera industry flourished. Cheap
labor, international support for industrial build-up, a prosperous world
market in the 50's and 60s along with a burgeoning electronics industry,
positioned them well to compete in the camera market place. Just as they
took over the consumer electronics industry for nearly 40 years they also
exploded on the scene in the camera market with completive high quality
products that incorporated electronics in their design. The Americans and
the Germans simply failed to react quickly enough to keep up with them.
Ziess is still highly revered in the lens industry with optics design and
licensing to Sony dSLRs and Leica still markets their own brand of lenses
and cameras plus optics design and licensing with Panasonic. Not totally
market leaders but still big players in the optics industry.
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"Florian Pesth" <fpe### [at] gmxde> wrote in message
news:4a675605$1@news.povray.org...
> Am Wed, 22 Jul 2009 08:55:36 +0200 schrieb scott:
>
>>> No, they still have the mirrors. Noisy buggers.
>>
>> And they cause vibration too. I like the feature on my 450D where you
>> can lock up the mirror before taking the actual exposure, useful for
>> astrophotography.
>
> You do astrophotography? Nice! Do you have some pictures to show? (I
> guess Munich itself is bad with light polution, but if you go to the
> mountains you can avoid it?)
>
> I can show some macros in exchange :).
I got bird photos and other stuff if anyone wants to see them :)
http://ken.smugmug.com/
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Darren New wrote:
> Well, yes, the answer was provided some time back. Welcome to the
> newsgroup. ;-)
The question seems to have been repeated a couple or hours before my post.
Thanks for the welcome and pardon my butting in. ;-)
David
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Am Wed, 22 Jul 2009 20:07:27 -0700 schrieb Ken:
>
> The Japanese woke up after WWII and their camera industry flourished.
> Cheap labor, international support for industrial build-up, a prosperous
> world market in the 50's and 60s along with a burgeoning electronics
> industry, positioned them well to compete in the camera market place.
> Just as they took over the consumer electronics industry for nearly 40
> years they also exploded on the scene in the camera market with
> completive high quality products that incorporated electronics in their
> design. The Americans and the Germans simply failed to react quickly
> enough to keep up with them.
That would confirm my small theory.
>
> Ziess is still highly revered in the lens industry with optics design
> and licensing to Sony dSLRs and Leica still markets their own brand of
> lenses and cameras plus optics design and licensing with Panasonic. Not
> totally market leaders but still big players in the optics industry.
Yes, Zeiss has still a very good reputation. Maybe worth a shot, when I
start looking for jobs in the next year.
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Am Wed, 22 Jul 2009 20:09:13 -0700 schrieb Ken:
>
> I got bird photos and other stuff if anyone wants to see them :)
> http://ken.smugmug.com/
Most impressive, thank you very much for sharing! Your images show me,
that I still have a long way to go. The western tanager is a so beautiful
shot!
In case you like to see - I should update them some time, this are
already a bit older:
http://www.pesth.org/photography/macro/
BTW my favourite picture of mine so far is this (no macro)
http://www.pesth.org/gallery/travel/eurasia/poland/warsaw2/61
or this
http://www.pesth.org/gallery/travel/eurasia/poland/warsaw2/63
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