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On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 11:25:39 -0400, Daniel Bastos wrote:
> In article <4a81821d@news.povray.org>, Jim Henderson wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:26:21 +0100, Stephen wrote:
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>>> That's good. I don't know what I'd do without public libraries.
>>
>> I used to spend a lot of time at the library when I was younger, but
>> not so much now. I just got my new library card a few months ago, so
>> maybe that'll change.
>>
>> We do have a very good library system here in Utah, one of the best in
>> the US (so I hear).
>
> I used to think that no one could beat Ohio. New Jersey certainly
> doesn't. Do you know how much Princeton would charge you for a library
> card you being a non-student? Some 300 dollars per semester! Call them
> to check.
>
> I figured it would be a lot better to go to the library, have a look at
> books I *might* want to read a substantial part of, and just buy them
> off of the Internet. How many books does one read in a semester?
I'd believe that. Libraries are funded by taxpayer dollars, so if you're
not a taxpayer, you typically would have to pay for a card (or just not
be allowed to use the resources).
Something along these lines was highlighted recently on The Colbert
Report - a kid who was helping the library promote reading ended up being
determined to be not located in the area where taxes went to paying for
the library, so his card was revoked. He did later get it back, though,
after a stink was raised in the press (and Colbert helped with that no
doubt).
Jim
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On 11-8-2009 18:29, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 11:25:39 -0400, Daniel Bastos wrote:
>
>> In article <4a81821d@news.povray.org>, Jim Henderson wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:26:21 +0100, Stephen wrote:
>>>
>>>> That's good. I don't know what I'd do without public libraries.
>>> I used to spend a lot of time at the library when I was younger, but
>>> not so much now. I just got my new library card a few months ago, so
>>> maybe that'll change.
>>>
>>> We do have a very good library system here in Utah, one of the best in
>>> the US (so I hear).
>> I used to think that no one could beat Ohio. New Jersey certainly
>> doesn't. Do you know how much Princeton would charge you for a library
>> card you being a non-student? Some 300 dollars per semester! Call them
>> to check.
>>
>> I figured it would be a lot better to go to the library, have a look at
>> books I *might* want to read a substantial part of, and just buy them
>> off of the Internet. How many books does one read in a semester?
>
> I'd believe that. Libraries are funded by taxpayer dollars, so if you're
> not a taxpayer, you typically would have to pay for a card (or just not
> be allowed to use the resources).
>
> Something along these lines was highlighted recently on The Colbert
> Report - a kid who was helping the library promote reading ended up being
> determined to be not located in the area where taxes went to paying for
> the library, so his card was revoked. He did later get it back, though,
> after a stink was raised in the press (and Colbert helped with that no
> doubt).
Call me a stupid foreigner, but if he wasn't within the area of this
public library he was within that of another one and not using that
facility. It is all taxpayer money one way or another, so what is the
point here?
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On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:37:20 +0200, andrel wrote:
> Call me a stupid foreigner,
I refuse. :-)
> but if he wasn't within the area of this
> public library he was within that of another one and not using that
> facility. It is all taxpayer money one way or another, so what is the
> point here?
If I remember correctly, the issue was that the part of the township he's
in (where the library is, ironically) doesn't pay taxes that cover the
library system, but there isn't another "local" library (ie, the library
in question *is* his local library).
I'll have to dig the clip up - it's on ComedyCentral.com, I just don't
remember what date it was.
Jim
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In article <4a819c66@news.povray.org>,
Jim Henderson wrote:
> I'd believe that. Libraries are funded by taxpayer dollars, so if you're
> not a taxpayer, you typically would have to pay for a card (or just not
> be allowed to use the resources).
By the way, in Princeton's case, they didn't ask whether I was from
Jersey or anywhere. They simply said that if I was not a tuition
payer, then I needed to pay some 300 dollars per semester for library
access.
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On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 18:18:28 -0400, Daniel Bastos wrote:
> In article <4a819c66@news.povray.org>, Jim Henderson wrote:
>
>> I'd believe that. Libraries are funded by taxpayer dollars, so if
>> you're not a taxpayer, you typically would have to pay for a card (or
>> just not be allowed to use the resources).
>
> By the way, in Princeton's case, they didn't ask whether I was from
> Jersey or anywhere. They simply said that if I was not a tuition payer,
> then I needed to pay some 300 dollars per semester for library access.
That makes sense, since a portion of tuition would go to fund the library
and its collection.
Jim
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In article <4a820953$1@news.povray.org>,
Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 18:18:28 -0400, Daniel Bastos wrote:
>
>> In article <4a819c66@news.povray.org>, Jim Henderson wrote:
>>
>>> I'd believe that. Libraries are funded by taxpayer dollars, so if
>>> you're not a taxpayer, you typically would have to pay for a card (or
>>> just not be allowed to use the resources).
>>
>> By the way, in Princeton's case, they didn't ask whether I was from
>> Jersey or anywhere. They simply said that if I was not a tuition payer,
>> then I needed to pay some 300 dollars per semester for library access.
>
> That makes sense, since a portion of tuition would go to fund the library
> and its collection.
Hm. Are you saying that it makes sense for one to use a library if and
only if one can afford its price? (Or only in the Princeton's case? In
which case, why is Princeton special?)
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On 08/11/09 19:35, Daniel Bastos wrote:
> Hm. Are you saying that it makes sense for one to use a library if and
> only if one can afford its price? (Or only in the Princeton's case? In
> which case, why is Princeton special?)
Are you referring to the university library?
If so, it's understandable - being a private library.
--
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"David H. Burns" <dhb### [at] cherokeetel net> wrote:
> Thanks. :) like this or maybe like this :]?
Incidentally, AIM is a bad place to discuss c code... );
- Ricky
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In article <4a821935$1@news.povray.org>,
Neeum Zawan wrote:
> On 08/11/09 19:35, Daniel Bastos wrote:
>> Hm. Are you saying that it makes sense for one to use a library if and
>> only if one can afford its price? (Or only in the Princeton's case? In
>> which case, why is Princeton special?)
>
> Are you referring to the university library?
Yes, I am.
> If so, it's understandable - being a private library.
I think you're saying yes to the first question. But let's consider
your comment here; that is, the privateness of Princeton. I won't ask
you to define `private.' I think that would be difficult. I will ask
something else. If the government funds Princeton in some ways, does
that increases Princeton's responsibility to be together with the
taxpayers when they actively seek to educate themselves?
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On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:35:05 -0400, Daniel Bastos wrote:
> In article <4a820953$1@news.povray.org>, Jim Henderson wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 18:18:28 -0400, Daniel Bastos wrote:
>>
>>> In article <4a819c66@news.povray.org>, Jim Henderson wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'd believe that. Libraries are funded by taxpayer dollars, so if
>>>> you're not a taxpayer, you typically would have to pay for a card (or
>>>> just not be allowed to use the resources).
>>>
>>> By the way, in Princeton's case, they didn't ask whether I was from
>>> Jersey or anywhere. They simply said that if I was not a tuition
>>> payer, then I needed to pay some 300 dollars per semester for library
>>> access.
>>
>> That makes sense, since a portion of tuition would go to fund the
>> library and its collection.
>
> Hm. Are you saying that it makes sense for one to use a library if and
> only if one can afford its price? (Or only in the Princeton's case? In
> which case, why is Princeton special?)
Libraries cost money. Someone's gotta pay for them. Students pay
through their tuition. If you don't pay tuition, then sure, it seems
reasonable that they would charge. It's not like Princeton's library is
a "public library" (ie, paid for by taxpayer money).
I'm saying it makes sense that they would charge a non-student a premium
to use the facility. Staff doesn't work for free, books aren't free,
utilities have to be paid, etc.
Jim
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