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From: John VanSickle
Subject: Re: Racism in the US
Date: 12 Jul 2009 03:20:36
Message: <4a598ec4$1@news.povray.org>
Stephen wrote:
> Tom Austin <taustin> wrote:
> 
>> I do remember way back in high school physics that we discussed the term
>> jerry-rig.  Our teacher reasoned that 'jerry' was a racial slur and
>> shouldn't be used.  So he suggested that 'billy-rig' was a better term -
>> referring to West Virginia hill billys.  Since we were in Virginia, it
>> was a better term than 'jerry-rig'
> 
> I think that your teacher may have been confusing jerry-rigged with jerry-built
> which is a slur against a certain English Jerry. Jerry-rigged is from WW2 and
> applied to Allied equipment repaired using German parts.
> To be honest, I have heard one phrase used by American oilmen that was a racial


I have heard some people use the term "Afro-engineering," an attempt, 
evidently, at making a politically-correct racial slur.

Regards,
John


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From: John VanSickle
Subject: Re: Racism in the US
Date: 12 Jul 2009 03:30:57
Message: <4a599131$1@news.povray.org>
Warp wrote:
> Tom Austin <taustin> wrote:
>> So, two groups of kids had been 'disinvited' with no loud complaining. 
>> As soon as the exact thing happens to a racial minority, it becomes a 
>> problem.
> 
> I'm surprised that you are surprised by something like that, at this point.
> 
> The current politically correct multicultural religion has certain dogmas.
> One of these dogmas is that whenever something bad happens to non-white
> people, it's because of racism (and, naturally, when the exact same thing
> happens to white people, it's not racism and usually not even that bad).

For instance:

Whites predominate in ice hockey due to pervasive discrimination. 
Blacks predominate in basketball due to inherent superiority.

Women make less money than men because of pervasive discrimination.
Women enjoy longer lifespans because of inherent superiority.

And so on.

This is a mental disorder known as Plurocausitive Attribution Syndrome:

"Clinical description: Plurocausitive attribution syndrome (PAS) is the 
a disorder in which the patient attributes different causes to a given 
social situation based on the race, gender, or sexual orientation of the 
people involved.

Cause: PAS is generally acquired in environments in which consistency of 
thought is discouraged. As such, it is epidemic in most social science 
departments.

Diagnosis: Ask the patient to explain a disparity in the longevity or 
success between multiple sets of two groups, distinguished along lines 
of gender, race, or sexual orientation. The diagnosis is confirmed if 
the patient attributes better outcomes for non-whites, women, and 
homosexuals to inherent superiority, but also attributes better outcomes 
for whites, men, and heterosexuals to oppression.

Treatment: Prospects are bleak. The best solution is to isolate the 
patient from impressionable minds."

You can read more at:

http://www.geocities.com/evilsnack/mental.htm

Regards,
John


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Racism in the US
Date: 12 Jul 2009 03:32:07
Message: <kb4j55dtg6o58paltaaevfka3560m8cv70@4ax.com>
On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 15:42:37 -0700, Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:

>Stephen wrote:
>>> I have read recently where they're still considered in some laws to not be 
>>> human. 
>
>> Probably, I can imagine not all the laws were repealed especially when you don't
>> want to talk about it.
>
>Well, I meant to say that those laws are still in force, at least from my 
>reading of the article.

Is it enforced? That is the important thing, really. 
-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: John VanSickle
Subject: Re: Racism in the US
Date: 12 Jul 2009 03:35:59
Message: <4a59925f$1@news.povray.org>
Patrick Elliott wrote:
> Tom Austin wrote:
>> I recently read a story on CNN
>> http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/09/philly.pool/index.html
>>
>> The story is about how a group of black kids were 'expelled' from a 
>> pool because of race.
>>
>>
>> An interesting quote is:
>> "He said two other day-care centers, neither of which included 
>> minority children, had previously been similarly disinvited."
>>
>> So, two groups of kids had been 'disinvited' with no loud complaining. 
>> As soon as the exact thing happens to a racial minority, it becomes a 
>> problem.
>>
>> I don't know if the action was racially motivated or not - I'm not 
>> judging that.  But it is amazing how people jump to say this is 
>> racially motivated.
>>
>> Just look at the quote:
>> "But Duesler told two Philadelphia television stations that the 
>> children had changed "the complexion" and "atmosphere" of the club."
>>
>> While I can see how this could be a racially charged statement, it 
>> could easily apply to ANY group of people and not be racially charged.
>>
>>
>> Even with the bias of the article I can see plenty of evidence that 
>> the incident may not have been racially motivated.
>>
>>
>> I guess people should be sensitive to things like this because it was 
>> such a big problem in the past, and continues to be problem today.  
>> But at times it seems that it goes a little too far.
>>
>> I wish people would take the time to understand the facts before 
>> passing judgment.  IMHO much in this article points towards people 
>> making snap judgments without taking time to try to understand what 
>> really happened.  Black group - kicked out by white people - something 
>> must be wrong.
>>
> Actually, got a better one for you:
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqbL9-HzxH4
> 
> Didn't know that Italians and Irish where "different species"...

I watched the video.  He did not say that they were.  Since the word 
"species" only came out of his mouth once, I'd be inclined to say that 
it came out because he couldn't think of the word he actually wanted.

Regards,
John


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From: Tim Cook
Subject: Re: Racism in the US
Date: 12 Jul 2009 04:06:03
Message: <4a59996b$1@news.povray.org>
It's fairly ironic that efforts to reduce discrimination have actually 
furthered it, only causing the explanation for the discrimination to 
shift.  It's no longer 'blacks are inferior because of their skin 
colour', but 'blacks are obviously inferior because if they weren't, 
there'd be no need to enact laws to protect them'.  Arguments of 'we 
should repeal such-and-such protection law because it's not needed any 
more' are dubious, since the discrimination would still be there.  It'd 
just find another excuse.

--
Tim Cook
http://empyrean.freesitespace.net


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Racism in the US
Date: 12 Jul 2009 05:19:24
Message: <2kaj55hlkusedvqjpt6jv3vp8bkhmq37b1@4ax.com>
On Sun, 12 Jul 2009 03:20:36 -0400, John VanSickle <evi### [at] hotmailcom>
>> I think that your teacher may have been confusing jerry-rigged with
jerry-built
>> which is a slur against a certain English Jerry. Jerry-rigged is from WW2 and
>> applied to Allied equipment repaired using German parts.
>> To be honest, I have heard one phrase used by American oilmen that was a racial

>
>I have heard some people use the term "Afro-engineering," an attempt, 
>evidently, at making a politically-correct racial slur.
>

No doubt we will be using that term soon instead of bodged job :(
-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Racism in the US
Date: 12 Jul 2009 11:32:01
Message: <4a5a01f1@news.povray.org>
Stephen wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 15:42:37 -0700, Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> 
>> Stephen wrote:
>>>> I have read recently where they're still considered in some laws to not be 
>>>> human. 
>>> Probably, I can imagine not all the laws were repealed especially when you don't
>>> want to talk about it.
>> Well, I meant to say that those laws are still in force, at least from my 
>> reading of the article.
> 
> Is it enforced? That is the important thing, really. 

Yes. That's what I'm saying. At least, according the the article I read.

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   "We'd like you to back-port all the changes in 2.0
    back to version 1.0."
   "We've done that already. We call it 2.0."


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Racism in the US
Date: 12 Jul 2009 12:07:18
Message: <4a5a0a36$1@news.povray.org>
John VanSickle wrote:
> Whites predominate in ice hockey due to pervasive discrimination.

I saw a very funny black commedian. He said he doesn't like hockey, because 
it's a bunch of white guys skating around on white ice. "The only black 
thing in the whole game is the puck."  He then went on to point out how the 
best *golf* player is Tiger Woods.

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   "We'd like you to back-port all the changes in 2.0
    back to version 1.0."
   "We've done that already. We call it 2.0."


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Racism in the US
Date: 12 Jul 2009 12:08:18
Message: <4a5a0a72@news.povray.org>
Tim Cook <z99### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> It's fairly ironic that efforts to reduce discrimination have actually 
> furthered it, only causing the explanation for the discrimination to 
> shift.

  As I already mentioned, the problem with anti-discriminatory measures,
which provide "minorities" special treatment which others don't have, is
that the "majority" will in the long run feel resentment because they don't
think it's fair that some people get more than others due to their ethnicity
or skin color. It also doesn't help that people who preach "equal opportunity"
and "equal treatment" act contrary to what they say, rather hypocritically:
The often *don't* treat everybody in the same way, but favor some groups of
people over others.

  If some people have to wait hours in a line while others get to walk past
the line (figuratively, and I'm sure in some cases actually literally), the
people waiting in line and seeing those others getting special treatment are
very likely to grow feelings of resentment.

  Rather ironically, it's very possible that these anti-discrimatory
measures are actually making some people slightly racist or at least
prejudiced, even though they previously were not.

  And as I also said, some cynics actually suggest that this is exactly
the result that many of the multiculturalists want: They have been trying
to prove for years that western countries are completely filled with racism
and prejudice. Multiculturalists have a brilliant way of getting what they
want while pretending to do the "right" thing themselves. And as long as
they can demonstrate the prevalent racism and prejudice, they will get to
keep their position as moral guardians of the society.

-- 
                                                          - Warp


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Racism in the US
Date: 13 Jul 2009 04:10:00
Message: <web.4a5aeabb823947755fd99d9e0@news.povray.org>
Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> Stephen wrote:
> > On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 15:42:37 -0700, Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> >
> >> Stephen wrote:
> >>>> I have read recently where they're still considered in some laws to not be
> >>>> human.
> >>> Probably, I can imagine not all the laws were repealed especially when you don't
> >>> want to talk about it.
> >> Well, I meant to say that those laws are still in force, at least from my
> >> reading of the article.
> >
> > Is it enforced? That is the important thing, really.
>
> Yes. That's what I'm saying. At least, according the the article I read.
>

Despite experience I still expect people to behave morally. What you say is
disgraceful but then



Stephen


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