On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 09:34:25 +0100, Invisible wrote:

>>> Heh. Almost makes it sound like I could just sit here, write some crap
>>> about crap, give it to a publisher and make a stack of money. :-D
>>>
>>> I rather doubt it's quite that easy though... ;-)
>> 
>> Have you read some of the crap that gets published?  The trick is to be
>> able to just toss the rejection letters out and move on to the next
>> publisher until you find one that is willing to publish the crap.  :-)
> 
> Heh. When I was at uni, we discovered that our Java lecturer had
> published a Java book. It was on Amazon, and not one reviewer had
> anything good to say about it. ;-) Apparently it was riddled with
> spelling and gramatical errors, sentences that didn't make sense,

Sounds like the publisher did a crap job in hiring an editor.  The 
process I went through for my books was that Peter and I wrote (Peter's 
primary language in Chinese), sent it in for a technical and editorial 
review, and then the results were sent back for us to accept or reject 
the proposed changes.

> factual inaccuracies, and example programs that either didn't compile or
> didn't work properly. (You could arguably blame some of that on the
> rapidly changing Java APIs...)

Ouch.

>>> Like I said, I'm looking at Oxford. I'd prefer not to move to Bristol
>>> or Leeds, but Oxford would probably be OK.
>> 
>> Oh, were you thinking of moving if you got the job in Oxford?  If so,
>> that's a great step forward. :-)  But I'm talking about broadening your
>> search to find something that leverages your skills regardless of
>> location.
> 
> Yeah, but, finding a job in a reasonable location is a higher priority
> than finding a job that's a "perfect" match for my skills. I mean, what
> does it matter how good the job is if I have to live in Leeds to get it?
> I might as well stay where I am.

Well, no job is likely to be a perfect skills match, so yes, both are 
considerations.  As are salary, benefits, expected hours worked, etc.

Jim

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On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 18:05:56 +0200, andrel wrote:

>> I point being, what's the point of having a great job if it means you
>> have to live somewhere utterly horrid? Priorities...
> 
> Indeed priorities. I would prefer a good job over a nice place to live.

I can see where he's coming from, though.  I don't know that I'd want to 
take a job in Manhattan - I love visiting Manhattan, but I don't think I 
could work there day in and day out, much less live there.  The crime 
rate is too high for my tastes, for one thing.

Jim

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Jim Henderson wrote:
> 
> I can see where he's coming from, though.  I don't know that I'd want to 
> take a job in Manhattan - I love visiting Manhattan, but I don't think I 
> could work there day in and day out, much less live there.  The crime 
> rate is too high for my tastes, for one thing.

I work at town and live at somewhere which can be described as
countryside. For that I drive 75km to work and another 75km back to
home, making 150km total/day (almost 100 miles, that is).

And yes, it's worth of 2 hours extra per day to live somewhere I really
like to live.

> Jim

-Aero

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On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 01:26:27 +0300, Eero Ahonen wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> 
>> I can see where he's coming from, though.  I don't know that I'd want
>> to take a job in Manhattan - I love visiting Manhattan, but I don't
>> think I could work there day in and day out, much less live there.  The
>> crime rate is too high for my tastes, for one thing.
> 
> I work at town and live at somewhere which can be described as
> countryside. For that I drive 75km to work and another 75km back to
> home, making 150km total/day (almost 100 miles, that is).
> 
> And yes, it's worth of 2 hours extra per day to live somewhere I really
> like to live.

Myself, I work from home most often - when I do go to the office, it's 
about a 90 mile round trip.  (I think we had this discussion before, 
perhaps <g>).

But like you, there's no chance of me moving closer to the office, I like 
he neighborhood I'm in.  But that said, if a better job came along and it 
was in, say, MA, I wouldn't discount it as a possibility if (a) the pay 
were good, (b) they'd pay relocation expenses, and (c) I could find a 
neighborhood there that I liked to live in.  Oh, and most importantly (d) 
my family was happy about the idea of moving to the area.  (d) would be a 
deal killer regardless of the pay. :-)

Jim

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>> Heh. When I was at uni, we discovered that our Java lecturer had
>> published a Java book. It was on Amazon, and not one reviewer had
>> anything good to say about it. ;-) Apparently it was riddled with
>> spelling and gramatical errors, sentences that didn't make sense,
> 
> Sounds like the publisher did a crap job in hiring an editor.

...they hired an editor? ;-)

What, they didn't just print it because it was written by a university 
professor?

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On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 09:34:31 +0100, Invisible wrote:

>>> Heh. When I was at uni, we discovered that our Java lecturer had
>>> published a Java book. It was on Amazon, and not one reviewer had
>>> anything good to say about it. ;-) Apparently it was riddled with
>>> spelling and gramatical errors, sentences that didn't make sense,
>> 
>> Sounds like the publisher did a crap job in hiring an editor.
> 
> ...they hired an editor? ;-)
> 
> What, they didn't just print it because it was written by a university
> professor?

Being a University Professor doesn't guarantee that they can actually 
write coherently. :-)

The publishers I have dealt with didn't care what your skills were as a 
writer, going through an editorial review is a mandatory step.  I 
rejected 95% of the proposed changes from the editor because I do write 
that well <g>.  My co-author, on the other hand, has a PhD. in nuclear 
physics, but as I mentioned before, his first language is Chinese.  
Having an editor in his case was essential.

Jim

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>> What, they didn't just print it because it was written by a university
>> professor?
> 
> Being a University Professor doesn't guarantee that they can actually 
> write coherently. :-)

INSERT WHITTY REMARK HERE.

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On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 19:34:40 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:

>>> What, they didn't just print it because it was written by a university
>>> professor?
>> 
>> Being a University Professor doesn't guarantee that they can actually
>> write coherently. :-)
> 
> INSERT WHITTY REMARK HERE.

I'll consider it a 'witty' remark instead. ;-)

Jim

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Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 09:34:31 +0100, Invisible wrote:
> 
>>>> Heh. When I was at uni, we discovered that our Java lecturer had
>>>> published a Java book. It was on Amazon, and not one reviewer had
>>>> anything good to say about it. ;-) Apparently it was riddled with
>>>> spelling and gramatical errors, sentences that didn't make sense,
>>> 
>>> Sounds like the publisher did a crap job in hiring an editor.
>> 
>> ...they hired an editor? ;-)
>> 
>> What, they didn't just print it because it was written by a university
>> professor?
> 
> Being a University Professor doesn't guarantee that they can actually
> write coherently. :-)

I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic :)

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On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 18:18:18 -0300, Nicolas Alvarez wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 09:34:31 +0100, Invisible wrote:
>> 
>>>>> Heh. When I was at uni, we discovered that our Java lecturer had
>>>>> published a Java book. It was on Amazon, and not one reviewer had
>>>>> anything good to say about it. ;-) Apparently it was riddled with
>>>>> spelling and gramatical errors, sentences that didn't make sense,
>>>> 
>>>> Sounds like the publisher did a crap job in hiring an editor.
>>> 
>>> ...they hired an editor? ;-)
>>> 
>>> What, they didn't just print it because it was written by a university
>>> professor?
>> 
>> Being a University Professor doesn't guarantee that they can actually
>> write coherently. :-)
> 
> I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic :)

I'm pretty sure I was as well. ;-)

Jim

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