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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: An excellent screed on copyright, DRM, piano rolls, etc.
Date: 21 May 2009 18:27:10
Message: <4a15d53e@news.povray.org>
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On Thu, 21 May 2009 23:06:20 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Web hosting?
>
> You *can* host a website from a laptop in your house, connected to the
> Internet via ADSL. I've done it. But it works *really* badly...
I do it today on 3 Mbps ADSL, works OK for my uses. Largely depends on
the traffic you're expecting (and that you ultimately get). Your site
must've been *really* popular. ;-)
Jim
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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: An excellent screed on copyright, DRM, piano rolls, etc.
Date: 22 May 2009 04:09:08
Message: <4a165da4@news.povray.org>
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>> Web hosting?
>>
>> You *can* host a website from a laptop in your house, connected to the
>> Internet via ADSL. I've done it. But it works *really* badly...
>
> I do it today on 3 Mbps ADSL, works OK for my uses. Largely depends on
> the traffic you're expecting (and that you ultimately get). Your site
> must've been *really* popular. ;-)
More like... my site is only available when I remember to turn my laptop
back on. (And when my mum doesn't turn it off because the whirring of
the fan is annoying her. Or because she's whining about how much
electricity it uses.)
Actually, 98% of my traffic consisted of HTTP GET requests for a URL
that's about 64 KB long... so, I'm guessing it's trying to exploit some
sort of buffer overrun vulnerability? (Which Apache presumably doesn't
have.)
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From: Doctor John
Subject: Re: An excellent screed on copyright, DRM, piano rolls, etc.
Date: 22 May 2009 06:03:23
Message: <4a16786b@news.povray.org>
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Tim Cook wrote:
> Bagpipe hero.
I didn't know you could play tunes on the bagpipes; after 1745 it was
banned in the UK as a weapon of war :-)
John
--
"Eppur si muove" - Galileo Galilei
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Doctor John <joh### [at] home com> wrote:
> Tim Cook wrote:
> > Bagpipe hero.
>
> I didn't know you could play tunes on the bagpipes; after 1745 it was
> banned in the UK as a weapon of war :-)
>
> John
> --
> "Eppur si muove" - Galileo Galilei
English! What you are talking about is not bagpipes per se but the GHB (Great
Highland Bagpipe) or the Warpipes as they are also known.
Hoots Mon.
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From: somebody
Subject: Re: An excellent screed on copyright, DRM, piano rolls, etc.
Date: 22 May 2009 09:25:53
Message: <4a16a7e1@news.povray.org>
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"Warp" <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote in message
news:4a15b7a8@news.povray.org...
> Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> > Warp wrote:
> > > The music industry is really, really greedy.
> > From what I hear, the film industry is not much different...
> At least the film industry has more reason for their actions. After all,
> if you pour 100 million dollars into making one single movie, you have
some
> good motives to protect your rights.
>
> How much does it cost to create one CD of music?
As much as it costs to create one CD of software. Pennies. If AutoCAD can
sell one CD for several thousand dollars, why cannot a music CD be sold for
$14.95 ?
I don't see what you are getting at. Are you saying musicians are overpaid
and actors are not?
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"somebody" <x### [at] ycom> wrote:
> "Warp" <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote in message
> news:4a15b7a8@news.povray.org...
> > How much does it cost to create one CD of music?
>
> As much as it costs to create one CD of software. Pennies. If AutoCAD
> can
> sell one CD for several thousand dollars, why cannot a music CD be
> sold for
> $14.95 ?
Well, they can somehow afford to sell it at a third of the price in
other countries. Yes, the same CD. I was in Spain and I saw CDs at €30
that cost $30 here in Argentina.
http://google.com/search?q=30+ARS+in+EUR
http://google.com/search?q=30+EUR+in+ARS
> I don't see what you are getting at. Are you saying musicians are
> overpaid
> and actors are not?
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=?UTF-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s=20Alvarez?= <nic### [at] gmailnospaminvalid> wrote:
> "somebody" <x### [at] ycom> wrote:
> > "Warp" <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote in message
> > news:4a15b7a8@news.povray.org...
> > > How much does it cost to create one CD of music?
> >
> > As much as it costs to create one CD of software. Pennies. If AutoCAD
> > can
> > sell one CD for several thousand dollars, why cannot a music CD be
> > sold for
> > $14.95 ?
>
> Well, they can somehow afford to sell it at a third of the price in
> other countries. Yes, the same CD. I was in Spain and I saw CDs at €30
> that cost $30 here in Argentina.
>
In the UK I notice that USD seems to translate directly into GBP. :(
Stephen
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From: somebody
Subject: Re: An excellent screed on copyright, DRM, piano rolls, etc.
Date: 22 May 2009 11:38:12
Message: <4a16c6e4$1@news.povray.org>
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news:495610262264692575.427968nicolas.alvarez-gmail.nospam.invalid@news.povray.org...
> "somebody" <x### [at] ycom> wrote:
> > "Warp" <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote in message
> > news:4a15b7a8@news.povray.org...
> > > How much does it cost to create one CD of music?
> >
> > As much as it costs to create one CD of software. Pennies. If AutoCAD
> > can
> > sell one CD for several thousand dollars, why cannot a music CD be
> > sold for
> > $14.95 ?
> Well, they can somehow afford to sell it at a third of the price in
> other countries. Yes, the same CD. I was in Spain and I saw CDs at ?30
> that cost $30 here in Argentina.
And the average hourly wage in Spain may well be ?30 when it's $30 in
Argentina. Gasoline may cost three times in UK than it does in US... etc...
etc. It's not just CDs. All consumer goods as well as salaries vary
considerably across borders. Just because a vendor can afford to sell a
product cheap in some country, or that an employer can afford to pay higher
wages in another doesn't mean that the same pricing would work everywhere
for everyone. Maybe one day, but global economy is far from being that
homogenized so far.
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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: An excellent screed on copyright, DRM, piano rolls, etc.
Date: 22 May 2009 13:01:53
Message: <4a16da81$1@news.povray.org>
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Invisible wrote:
> (Which Apache presumably doesn't have.)
I got hammered at least twice a week for apache vulnerabilities when I was
running a web site too. They're just less obvious, so you don't always see
them in the logfile unless you write code that sends you email when
something funky happens in the log file. :-)
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
There's no CD like OCD, there's no CD I knoooow!
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From: Warp
Subject: Re: An excellent screed on copyright, DRM, piano rolls, etc.
Date: 22 May 2009 16:00:15
Message: <4a17044f@news.povray.org>
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Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> On Thu, 21 May 2009 17:03:12 -0400, Warp wrote:
> > Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> >> > How much does it cost to create one CD of music?
> >
> >> Instruments and training are expensive, depending on what the musician
> >> plays.
> >
> > Worth 100 million dollars? I don't think so.
> Think symphony orchestra.
All music CDs are created by a symphony orchestra?
Even if it was so, a symphony orchestra does *not* cost 100 million
dollars. Heck, even an entire opera house built from scratch is probably
not going to cost that much. (And even if it were, it's not like they
would have to build one opera house per CD.)
--
- Warp
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