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From: Gilles Tran
Subject: Re: Watchmen vs The Incredibles
Date: 18 May 2009 08:50:18
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4a10babe@news.povray.org...
> I think it's still worth mentioning though, for no other reason than to 
> dismiss the idea that Brad Genius Bird came up with all these ideas by 
> himself.  But it doesn't matter:  wikipedia is a revisionists dream, since 
> it only points to official positions from official mouths.

Hey, I just noticed something about the Incredibles:
- Apparently normal American suburban family who goes through extraordinary 
adventures
- Slightly pudgy, not so smart, lovable father, stuck in a boring job with 
an abusive boss
- Hyperbusy homemaking mom
- Hyperenergetic, hot-headed teenage son
- Nerdy, socially awkward teenage daughter
- Non-talking baby with no special powers (except when needed)

Rings a bell?

The Simpsons...

And guess who was part of the original Simpsons developing team, directed 
some episodes and served as an executive producer for 181 episodes between 
1989 and 1997?

G.


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Watchmen vs The Incredibles
Date: 18 May 2009 11:48:34
Message: <4a118352$1@news.povray.org>
Heh heh heh.

http://terminatorguide.webs.com/T3special.htm

Of course, in that case...

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   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: Watchmen vs The Incredibles
Date: 18 May 2009 13:31:36
Message: <4a119b78@news.povray.org>
Darren New escreveu:
> nemesis wrote:
>  > But it doesn't matter:  wikipedia is a revisionists dream,
>> since it only points to official positions from official mouths.
> 
> Gee, sounds like an encyclopedia to me!  Funny, that.

Does not sound like a user-fed wiki to me, though.  If all I can do is 
parrot official mouths from Disney, I don't feel there's any use for my 
knowledge on any specific subject.  There was a time where one could do 
just that.  I suspect the majority of wikipedia was initially built that 
way and now that the base is already there, there's no more space for 
grass-roots wiki editing...

BTW, perhaps Nicolas Alvarez should take a look at this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Incredibles_characters

there's plenty of unsourced statements there about similarities with 
long-known super-hero characters for him to apply his revisionism.

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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: Watchmen vs The Incredibles
Date: 18 May 2009 13:32:34
Message: <4a119bb2@news.povray.org>
Gilles Tran escreveu:

> 4a10babe@news.povray.org...
>> I think it's still worth mentioning though, for no other reason than to 
>> dismiss the idea that Brad Genius Bird came up with all these ideas by 
>> himself.  But it doesn't matter:  wikipedia is a revisionists dream, since 
>> it only points to official positions from official mouths.
> 
> Hey, I just noticed something about the Incredibles:
> - Apparently normal American suburban family who goes through extraordinary 
> adventures
> - Slightly pudgy, not so smart, lovable father, stuck in a boring job with 
> an abusive boss
> - Hyperbusy homemaking mom
> - Hyperenergetic, hot-headed teenage son
> - Nerdy, socially awkward teenage daughter
> - Non-talking baby with no special powers (except when needed)
> 
> Rings a bell?
> 
> The Simpsons...
> 
> And guess who was part of the original Simpsons developing team, directed 
> some episodes and served as an executive producer for 181 episodes between 
> 1989 and 1997?

yay, one more parody at stake.  Keen eye, G. ;)

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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: Watchmen vs The Incredibles
Date: 18 May 2009 13:34:36
Message: <4a119c2c$1@news.povray.org>
Darren New escreveu:
> Heh heh heh.
> 
> http://terminatorguide.webs.com/T3special.htm
> 
> Of course, in that case...

That's nothing:  the whole Back to the Future trilogy is a lucrative 
rehash of the very same first movie plot, except one in the future and 
another in the far past.  Blowderized, puerile, rehashed entertainment 
is really all Hollywood is about.

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From: Nicolas Alvarez
Subject: Re: Watchmen vs The Incredibles
Date: 18 May 2009 15:24:56
Message: <4a11b608@news.povray.org>
nemesis wrote:
> BTW, perhaps Nicolas Alvarez should take a look at this:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Incredibles_characters
> 
> there's plenty of unsourced statements there about similarities with
> long-known super-hero characters for him to apply his revisionism.

The tag to add is {{fact}} (expands as a superscript "[citation needed]").


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From: Tim Cook
Subject: Re: Watchmen vs The Incredibles
Date: 18 May 2009 21:37:23
Message: <4a120d53$1@news.povray.org>
nemesis wrote:
> That's nothing:  the whole Back to the Future trilogy is a lucrative 
> rehash of the very same first movie plot, except one in the future and 
> another in the far past.  Blowderized, puerile, rehashed entertainment 
> is really all Hollywood is about.

Except, in the case of Back to the Future, it was done in a deliberate, 
tongue-in-cheek manner.  "History repeats itself", and so forth.

--
Tim Cook
http://empyrean.freesitespace.net


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From: Tim Cook
Subject: Re: Watchmen vs The Incredibles
Date: 18 May 2009 21:39:02
Message: <4a120db6$1@news.povray.org>
nemesis wrote:
> yay, one more parody at stake.  Keen eye, G. ;)

Another parody?  In a movie that's a parody of, 
everybody-knows-it's-a-parody,-that's-how-it-was-marketed, the superhero 
and comedy genres?

*GASP*

--
Tim Cook
http://empyrean.freesitespace.net


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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: Watchmen vs The Incredibles
Date: 19 May 2009 04:50:23
Message: <4a1272cf$1@news.povray.org>
Tim Cook wrote:
> nemesis wrote:
>> yay, one more parody at stake.  Keen eye, G. ;)
> 
> Another parody?  In a movie that's a parody of, 
> everybody-knows-it's-a-parody,-that's-how-it-was-marketed, the superhero 
> and comedy genres?

Everybody but Bird, who doesn't acknowledge any of the crystal-clear 
visible influences in his subject of choice.


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Watchmen vs The Incredibles
Date: 19 May 2009 12:10:35
Message: <4a12d9fb$1@news.povray.org>
nemesis wrote:
> Darren New escreveu:
>> nemesis wrote:
>>  > But it doesn't matter:  wikipedia is a revisionists dream,
>>> since it only points to official positions from official mouths.
>>
>> Gee, sounds like an encyclopedia to me!  Funny, that.
> 
> Does not sound like a user-fed wiki to me, though. 

And that's why your original research gets rejected: it's a user-fed wiki 
being used as an encyclopedia, so when users feed it things that shouldn't 
be in an encyclopedia, it gets deleted. See how that works?

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   There's no CD like OCD, there's no CD I knoooow!


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