http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg18524911.600-13-things-that-do-not-make-sense.html

Truly amusing.  Like the one regarding homeopathy.

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nemesis wrote:
> Truly amusing.  Like the one regarding homeopathy.

I went looking about that one, and found dozens of replications of the 
experiment that showed no effect, *except* for when it was done at the 
Institute for Homeopathy, where suddenly the effect was found again.

Somehow, I'm not convinced. :-)

I'd like to see someone *skeptical* replicate the experiment before I say 
there's something there.

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Darren New escreveu:
> nemesis wrote:
>> Truly amusing.  Like the one regarding homeopathy.
> 
> I went looking about that one, and found dozens of replications of the 
> experiment that showed no effect, *except* for when it was done at the 
> Institute for Homeopathy, where suddenly the effect was found again.
> 
> Somehow, I'm not convinced. :-)
> 
> I'd like to see someone *skeptical* replicate the experiment before I 
> say there's something there.

oh!  Placebo!  Somehow, the article seems to give the impression that 
the researcher was sceptical of homeopathy...

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"Darren New" <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> I'd like to see someone *skeptical* replicate the experiment before I say 
> there's something there.

That's the problem...the whole premise is that it works because you believe 
it does.  Being skeptical prevents it from ever working.  ;)

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nemesis wrote:
>> I'd like to see someone *skeptical* replicate the experiment before I 
>> say there's something there.
> 
> oh!  Placebo!  Somehow, the article seems to give the impression that 
> the researcher was sceptical of homeopathy...

What part of "replicate" did you miss in my sentence? :-)


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Tim Cook wrote:
> "Darren New" <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
>> I'd like to see someone *skeptical* replicate the experiment before I 
>> say there's something there.
> 
> That's the problem...the whole premise is that it works because you 
> believe it does. 

I take it you didn't actually read the article?

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Darren New escreveu:
> Tim Cook wrote:
>> "Darren New" <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
>>> I'd like to see someone *skeptical* replicate the experiment before I 
>>> say there's something there.
>>
>> That's the problem...the whole premise is that it works because you 
>> believe it does. 
> 
> I take it you didn't actually read the article?

Yeah.

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Darren New escreveu:
> nemesis wrote:
>>> I'd like to see someone *skeptical* replicate the experiment before I 
>>> say there's something there.
>>
>> oh!  Placebo!  Somehow, the article seems to give the impression that 
>> the researcher was sceptical of homeopathy...
> 
> What part of "replicate" did you miss in my sentence? :-)

Oh, I see.  You want further proof from another skeptical.  Maybe you 
only find many proofs from *supporters* because the scientific 
stabilishment don't generally enjoy researching into phenomena it can't 
explain and end-up with the same Scully-like conclusions as the 
skeptical researcher in the article?

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Darren New wrote:
> I went looking about that one, and found dozens of replications of the
> experiment that showed no effect, *except* for when it was done at the
> Institute for Homeopathy, where suddenly the effect was found again.
> 
> Somehow, I'm not convinced. :-)
> 
> I'd like to see someone *skeptical* replicate the experiment before I
> say there's something there.

	I was about to ask if someone had replicated it...

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nemesis wrote:
> Oh, I see.  You want further proof from another skeptical.

Yes. That's called "repeatability," a fundamental property of scientific 
theories.

> Maybe you 
> only find many proofs from *supporters* because the scientific 
> stabilishment don't generally enjoy researching into phenomena it can't 
> explain and end-up with the same Scully-like conclusions as the 
> skeptical researcher in the article?

No, actually, I found 14 different laboratories that tried and failed to 
repeat the experiment, and one that repeated it twice, that one being the 
homeopathy institute. And it was the same scientist repeating it both times, 
let alone the same institute.

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