"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
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>>> As I say, they don't actually give a phone number for job enquiries. I 
>>> guess I could reply to their email though. (Assuming the address is 
>>> real, and not just some automaton.)
>>
>>     Have you done any research on them? If they are as big as they sound, 
>> then there is a phone number there, find it.
>
> There's a phone number for the sales department, and one for finance, and 
> one for marketing, but the one for HR specifically says on it "not for job 
> enquiries".
>
>>      Don't be stupid. You're not a 'nobody'. You have everything going 
>> for you, you're young, clever, and trust me, there's a good job waiting 
>> for you out there somewhere.
>
> *sigh*
>
> Yeah. There are friends too. And probably a girl. They're all out there 
> waiting for me, somewhere.

    They are if you actually go out there and put the flippin' internet down 
for a few days or longerrrrr.


 I just wish I had any idea how in hell to
> *find* all these things... :-(

   People in the know here have already advised you 'many' times as to what 
you could do. You could join a club of some interest to you, (yes, yes, I 
know you've done the dancing 'thing' recently, and good on you for that. 
*See the asterix below for further info).

    *Here it is. :) There's a line dancing club near you. Go join in, it's a 
lot easier than the Cha Cha Cha or the Waltz. They even have days out in the 
Sun. Looks to me as if there is quite a spread of people of all ages. 
Gofrit.

     The thing is Andrew, to me, you seem to be waiting for it to happen to 
'you', and I can tell you now that if you don't get 'out there', it won't 
happen - well, not unless you're the most luckiest guy in the world that is. 
And you're not.

    Time to get 'out there' properly methinks Andrew, and as I said before, 
go for it.

       ~Steve~

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St. wrote:
> They even have days out in the Sun.

Do they actually have sun in the UK?  Or is this one of those words that 
differs between Queen's English and American English? :-)

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   Why is there a chainsaw in DOOM?
   There aren't any trees on Mars.

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Invisible wrote:
> I have the lowest IQ on the whole of the POV-Ray server.

Yeah, right...

> I nearly failed my degree.

But you didn't.

> I'm supposedly an ace programmer but I can't do either C or C++, the
> languages used for 98% of all computer programming. I've been coding for
> decades, but I have not one single finished program to show for all my
> efforts.  

I have been coding since I'm 10 years old (ok that's actually less time than
you) and I've yet to finish anyth

> My entire life thus far has been a near-complete waste of time. No
> matter what I do, I never succeed at anything. I'm hardly ever happy,
> just constantly depressed. What do I have to live for? What is there for
> me to look forward to? Why should I even go on?? Why bother being alive
> if you can't have happiness?

If you can't find a reason for living, at least find an excuse :P

PS: I seriously want to buy that t-shirt that says "I never finish anyth"

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Invisible wrote:
> Yeah, well, employers want finished items. They aren't impressed if you
> don't finish a project because you "got bored of it".

I also abandon projects when I "get bored of them", so I'm also worried
about what I'll do when I'm being paid to work on a project...

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Invisible wrote:
> It just seems that every time I post some long and wordy post about
> something, Warp replies with a 1-line reply saying "you spelt that
> wrong". When I've just spent ages writing something, a meta-comment
> about something that is both obvious and irrelevant isn't what I'm
> really seeking.

It means that's the *only* thing he found wrong!

> My point is that knowing, rationally, that something is true doesn't
> necessarily help you *believe* it. Ever tried rock climbing? Sure, I
> *know* that nothing bad can possibly happen to me... but I'm still
> pretty terrified, all the same! o_O

I've been told that tooth ache is much more painful than tooth removal (with
anesthetic), and rationally I believe it's true. Tooth is still there in my
mouth.

Last time I attempted going to the dentist (like two years ago), I came out
crying and screaming.

...before the dentist even started.

Rational thought sometimes doesn't work...

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Invisible wrote:
> You mean, something like this:
> 
> http://www.bash.org/?488793

Or http://qdb.us/294549

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Orchid XP v8 [mailto:voi### [at] devnull]
> Chambers wrote:
> > DON'T reply to their email... CALL THEM!
> I did. They weren't prepaired to tell me anything.
> 
> And *then* I replied to their email. And still got no useful data.

Yeah, I saw that after I posted.  Tough luck, but kudos for trying.

By the way, what you just did is exactly what you need to do to get a
job.  Just be prepared to have to try it a few times before it works.

...Ben Chambers
www.pacificwebguy.com

I'd like to live in Theory.  Everything works there.

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Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>
> > Right, now... oh yeah, now I have to actually *send* the letter. Damn,
> > now I remember why I've been holding off all this time. Writing letters
> > sucks! :-/
>
> Well, I got my CV finalised, and wrote *a* letter, but... man, it's
> taken me all afternoon! And it's *still* not that great... Jesus I suck
> at this! :-(

You are a truly intriguing dude.  How come you can't write a friggin' letter
when you post so much interesting or amusing content here all day long,
everyday?!  How come you feel stupid when you're clearly very well equipped in
math and programming?  More than 100 fracking EulerProject problems solved?!
gimme a break...

You may not be the most practical guy in your choices (Haskell rather than C
family languages used in the industry), but other than that you're not alone in
social ineptitude or job problems.

Do you read newspapers, not just the tech section or irrelevant locals?  Might
give you more awareness of what's going on with the world and how to prepare to
deal with it.

Anyway, if you can't find luck in your segment of the industry, how about a
change of area?  The IT industry makes me more depressed each year.  At first I
thought about computers: "What an exceptional tool for self-expression and
seeking of knowledge!", thinking of the many text editors, paint tools and 3D
and music software and the internet.  Today, though, the PC is nothing but an
ordinary magic box common people use just to play stupid games, exchange
standard one-liners with total strangers in search of sex and download
countless porn, bad movie, cheesy music and sucky TV show rips which will never
see the light of day except in a quick zapping through the whole load of shite
once in a while.

I'm thinking, you, being a shy guy, could find yourself perhaps at home in a
publishing house, with a job mostly dealing with writing, text revision or as
technical advisor or something like that.  Just an idea.  Regarding women:
forget love, it's just a stupid social contract.  If you are inexperienced,
just relax and go for a pro:  she'll know what to do and all you gotta do is
enjoy the ride. :)  Really, it'll make better to you than dance lessons with
old people.

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Nicolas Alvarez <nic### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> Invisible wrote:
> > You mean, something like this:
> >
> > http://www.bash.org/?488793
>
> Or http://qdb.us/294549

People depressed enough to think of such stupidity should really just go for it
rather than write about it.

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"Darren New" <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote in message 
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> St. wrote:
>> They even have days out in the Sun.
>
> Do they actually have sun in the UK?

     Yes, about 10 days worth if we're lucky. ;)



 Or is this one of those words that
> differs between Queen's English and American English? :-)

    No no, it's the same, it's just that we rarely use it. :)

      ~Steve~


>
> -- 
>   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
>   Why is there a chainsaw in DOOM?
>   There aren't any trees on Mars.

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