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Darren New wrote:
> The "first cause" argument is that every effect has a cause, and hence
> for the universe to exist, something before the universe must have
> caused it, and hence God exists.[1]
Huh. Looks like maybe the universe didn't need a first cause after all.
http://bite-dose.com/science/did-dark-energy-give-us-our-cosmos/
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Darren New wrote:
> I believe you're reading disrespect into my disagreement. Regardless of
> Patrick's feelings, I don't disrespect you.
Dear friend, this words are not necessary, I already have this
consideration to you. And for what is worth you have been only
disrespectful once, Patrick many, and you corrected your question and
asked nicely again, that implicitly have an apology an I accept it
gladly, I offer the same an apology if I have being disrespectful with
you or Atheism in 1 or more occasions.
Best regards and luck to us all :-)
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Got a new term for you. Tragical. Its like a miracle, but when god does
stuff that's bad, because he "works in mysterious ways". lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-vhyqx_Duc&feature=channel
Think I am going to have to keep up with this guys videos.
Tell you the truth, I don't think we are "that" different. About the
only difference I can see is that, maybe, you are one of those that
think that given "some" ground can benefit our position. I once thought
that might be true, then I realized that, in reality, the people
fighting the hardest for beliefs are basically impervious to evidence in
most cases, without causing their whole world view to shatter like a
chandelier, and so talking to them is pointless, once you figure out
that they have put themselves in the unassailable position of stating,
"There is no evidence, ever, that would sway my belief.", and, anyone
willing to listen, isn't part of the problem in the first place. You
give ground to people who "could be" persuaded, but only as much as
needed. You never do so with someone that refuses to even acknowledge
the possible flaws, or lack of knowledge, inherent in their positions.
And, frankly, he claims I called him a moron. No, confusing "ignorant"
with "stupid" is moronic. Had he opted to take the definition for what
it "means", instead of inflating it into something worse... But, as they
say, better to say nothing, than erase all doubt.
That still doesn't mean he isn't do "some" respect for everything else
he does in his life, even to help others. It just means that he is the
reverse of an idiot savant. Instead of having one thing he does very
very well, and everything else poorly, he does everything else rather
well, and one thing very very poorly. Most of us have that handicap, in
one fashion or another. Mine is that I couldn't play a sport, or
apparently even a game of chance, without losing, even with loaded dice.
I am an idiot at it. Its a common affliction in nerds. His... is
similarly common. But, there is a difference between ignorance,
stupidity and willful blindness. The first is curable, the second
incurable, and the third, takes a great deal of practice. The first step
is to deny you have a problem at all, or could be bad at it.
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nemesis wrote:
> Patrick Elliott <sel### [at] npgcable com> wrote:
>> Darren New wrote:
>>> Patrick Elliott wrote:
>>>> not the least being self contradictions,
>>> At least one highly religious person I had an opportunity to interact
>>> with for hours at a time face to face has convinced me that self
>>> contradictions aren't a problem in religion. As long as you're being
>>> irrational, why stick with modus ponens?
>>>
>> Yes, well.. Its when they then insist that you don't know what "you" are
>> talking about because its so damn obvious that god is "both" a plate of
>> spaghetti and a magic hat, at the same time, that things really go down
>> hill for everyone not "in the know". lol
>
> LOLz. Look at the atheists making fun of their fav subject and here I am still
> feeding them! Really, what would you do with your boring vulcan/madonna dual
> lifes if there was no one you could mock of? probably commit suicide to see if
> they were right...
>
Favorite? Yeah, if by "favorite" you mean "only". Its kind of like
arguing that "insert religion of your choice"'s favorite subject is
"everyone that believes something else" too.
In response, from PX Myers to yet "another" case of "Oh no, atheists
have bus signs now!", and more specifically the ever popular, "There
probably isn't any god, so stop being an ass." Umm, well, the last bit
isn't *quite* phrased that way, but...:
""There's probably no God" is an accurate summary of the atheist
position. There's no virtue to be found in iron-clad certainty, and it
is no sign of weakness that a statement might allow for acceptance of
evidence in contradiction. People like Warner, however, think that
certainty is a necessity.
...
Let's leave certainty to the oleaginous evangelists, the jingoistic war
mongers, and the other con artists selling us bogus solutions to
imaginary problems. A little uncertainty, a little willingness to accept
that deeper knowledge might change our minds, is a good thing.
...
that I am not reliant on the whims of some all-powerful cosmic tyrant.
I've read the Bible, and his god is not a very nice anthropomorphic
hallucination: murder, war, rape, threats of eternal torment, and
micro-management of trivial aspects of human behavior seem to be his
modi operandi. I am relieved that I am not under its thumb, although it
is still worrisome that so many imagine that they are, and act as if
this evil puppetmaster were pulling their strings.
The message of atheism is personal responsibility. You cannot blame your
wickedness on a rebellious ancestor with an appetite for apples. You
cannot say the devil made you do it. Your actions are not dictated by
invisible deities whispering in your ear. Your actions have
consequences, and they are *your* actions." <- emphasis mine
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Patrick Elliott wrote:
> Got a new term for you. Tragical. Its like a miracle, but when god does
> stuff that's bad, because he "works in mysterious ways". lol
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-vhyqx_Duc&feature=channel
>
> Think I am going to have to keep up with this guys videos.
I've watched some of his stuff. He's pretty funny.
This guy's pretty good too, altho less funny:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQBDGMj2h-c
> Tell you the truth, I don't think we are "that" different.
I try not to be off-putting. You don't seem to care whether you're
off-putting. I think that's the main difference in our approaches.
> think that given "some" ground can benefit our position.
I don't give any ground. I just don't feel the need to alienate people who
aren't attacking me. :-)
> and so talking to them is pointless,
... if you're trying to change their mind, yes.
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Why is there a chainsaw in DOOM?
There aren't any trees on Mars.
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Patrick Elliott wrote:
> The message of atheism is personal responsibility. You cannot blame your
> wickedness on a rebellious ancestor with an appetite for apples.
Well, I don't, but that's because I'm from the other side of the family. :-)
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
Why is there a chainsaw in DOOM?
There aren't any trees on Mars.
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