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Phil Cook v2 wrote:
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>> Ha! You need a Swiss Army Knife for Christmas ;)
>
> Leatherman; let the fight begin :-)
>
Honestly, I've heard of it called more a cutaman than a leatherman.
Every time you get it out to use it, you cut yourself.
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On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 16:27:35 +0000, Invisible <voi### [at] dev null> wrote:
>>>> From there, depending what records the ISP keeps, they can probably
>>>> tell what username was usign that IP at that time.
>>>
>>> This is the part that I doubt.
>>
>> Why?
>
>What use would an ISP have for recording this information?
Can't the police request this info from the ISP for reasons of national security
and calling someone a Paedo?
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Regards
Stephen
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On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 11:29:52 -0500, Tom Austin <taustin> wrote:
>Phil Cook v2 wrote:
>>
>>> Ha! You need a Swiss Army Knife for Christmas ;)
>>
>> Leatherman; let the fight begin :-)
>>
>
>Honestly, I've heard of it called more a cutaman than a leatherman.
>
>Every time you get it out to use it, you cut yourself.
Isn't that a Kukri?
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Stephen
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And lo On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 16:12:55 -0000, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> did
spake thusly:
>>> This still doesn't explain who the ISP is supposed to keep track of
>>> several thousand computers all concurrently using their system.
>> To put it another way you're charged per unit (normally megabyte) for
>> information downloaded to your mobile, how does your telecom provider
>> know that's you getting that data?
>
> Hmm, OK.
>
>>> OK, so they give the *police* that information. They're not going to
>>> give it to anybody else, are they? :-P
>> Oh no of course not, it's also not likely that the DVLA will hand out
>> information to anyone who sets up a Parking Enforcement company and can
>> fill in an online form.
>
> I don't follow.
Sorry another story that's been buried under the Green story, private
companies are by-passing things like Criminal Records Checks to get
information. All they have to do is fill in a form from the DVLA with your
licence plate and state that you were illegally parked - et voila the DVLA
sends back to them your name, address, car details etc.
>>> OK, so they know I came from Google. They still don't know what I
>>> searched for. :-P
>> Referrer address = http://www.google.co.uk/search?q= test
>
>> even features on some sites now with "[IP address] has landed on this
>> site searching for [test]" even tries to resolve the IP Address to a
>> place based on the ISP - used to have me as Brum now it thinks I'm in
>> Cheltenham. And all that without the ISP logs ;-)
>
> Yeah, and some sites manage to figure out that I'm in Milton Keynes.
>
> Do you have *any idea* how many people live in Milton Keynes? ;-)
Over 200,000 last count, but how many searching for "test" at 16:12 on Wed
02?
>>>>> (Also, what do you mean "sign up to Google"?)
>>>> For personalised info on iGoogle, you got Gmail?
>>>
>>> ...wuh?
>> www.google.co.uk/ig
>
> Hmm... mildly entertaining, but... useful?
Got the comment feed from my blog, plus a satellite photo of the UK,
calendar, and news.
--
Phil Cook
--
I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
http://flipc.blogspot.com
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>> I don't follow.
>
> Sorry another story that's been buried under the Green story, private
> companies are by-passing things like Criminal Records Checks to get
> information. All they have to do is fill in a form from the DVLA with
> your licence plate and state that you were illegally parked - et voila
> the DVLA sends back to them your name, address, car details etc.
Oh that's... cute. O_O
>> Yeah, and some sites manage to figure out that I'm in Milton Keynes.
>>
>> Do you have *any idea* how many people live in Milton Keynes? ;-)
>
> Over 200,000 last count, but how many searching for "test" at 16:12 on
> Wed 02?
Probably not many. No way of knowing *who* though. :-P
>>> www.google.co.uk/ig
>>
>> Hmm... mildly entertaining, but... useful?
>
> Got the comment feed from my blog, plus a satellite photo of the UK,
> calendar, and news.
Each to their own... ;-)
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And lo On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 16:13:55 -0000, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> did
spake thusly:
>>>> Why would that be?
>>>
>>> ...because every minute of every hour, hundreds of thousands of people
>>> connect to a given ISP and get assigned new IP addresses purely at
>>> random?
>> IPs are not given out at random. Each ISP has a range that they are
>> allowed to assign. The IP address can be tracked back to the ISP.
>
> Yes, I'm well aware of that. I meant they're assigned at random from the
> pool of addresses belonging to that ISP.
That wouldn't make financial sense. LIFO means that if I've bought a batch
of 100 numbers to use I can see I've never gone above address 50; so I can
return or sell on say 25 to someone else. Think about buying every member
of your 100-strong staff a licence for Software X, they all use it but
you've only a maximum of 10 doing so at one time.
>> From there, depending what records the ISP keeps, they can probably
>> tell what username was usign that IP at that time.
>
> This is the part that I doubt.
I'd echo Gail, but you've already answered her. To posit a non-national
security/by law suggestion - Data Mining; especially if you haven't ticked
that no third-party box. Been looking up recipies for avocados expect an
email from the National Association of Avocardo Growers about local
producers ;-)
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Phil Cook
--
I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
http://flipc.blogspot.com
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And lo On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 16:40:08 -0000, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> did
spake thusly:
>>> Yeah, and some sites manage to figure out that I'm in Milton Keynes.
>>>
>>> Do you have *any idea* how many people live in Milton Keynes? ;-)
>> Over 200,000 last count, but how many searching for "test" at 16:12 on
>> Wed 02?
>
> Probably not many. No way of knowing *who* though. :-P
Police shut down paedo/jihad site, find logs, check referrers and ask
Google and ISPs to provide matching information. I'm not talking in
theory, it's been done.
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Phil Cook
--
I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
http://flipc.blogspot.com
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And lo On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 16:25:55 -0000, Stephen <mcavoysAT@aoldotcom>
did spake thusly:
> On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 15:54:36 -0000, "Phil Cook v2"
> <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
>
>>
>> Spartan being the SAK with blade and corkscew and C2 being the cheapest
>> LM
>> of similar design. Just looked up recent prices - £9 vs. £50 woah a
>> fifth
>> of the price.
>
> Mine was a safety award, so it cost me nada :)
LOL What was it an attempt to let someone else win next time?
"Congratulations on your excellent safety record, here have a nice sharp
knife for your very own. I'll hope you'll carry it around with you at all
times"
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Phil Cook
--
I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
http://flipc.blogspot.com
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>>>> Do you have *any idea* how many people live in Milton Keynes? ;-)
>>> Over 200,000 last count, but how many searching for "test" at 16:12
>>> on Wed 02?
>>
>> Probably not many. No way of knowing *who* though. :-P
>
> Police shut down paedo/jihad site, find logs, check referrers and ask
> Google and ISPs to provide matching information. I'm not talking in
> theory, it's been done.
OK, so if the police shut down the brownie's website, they might be able
to figure out what I visited it. But they're not going to, are they?
I'm sure if a sufficiently resourceful government organisation wants to
find out who's using a given IP address, they can find out. What I'm
saying is that the brownies themselves can't passively obtain this
information just because I visit their site.
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Stephen wrote:
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> Three things.
> 1. If you can't cut paper with a knife, then your knife is not sharp
> enough. I test my knife by shaving the edge off a cigarette paper.
I second that, even though I don't use cigarette paper (I don't smoke).
> 2. Swiss army knifes generally have a pair of scissors.
I also second that, but it's not 100% sure (like you wrote, generally -
not always).
> 3. The best way to cut paper with scissors is not to use a cutting motion
> but to start the cut then glide the scissors through the paper.
I also second this, but you'll need to have scissors sharp enough
(surprisingly).
> Like Phil I'm good at wrapping things. :)
I'm not.
-Aero
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