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Darren New wrote:
> Invisible wrote:
>> does not simply copy a 103 GB RAID array. It's far too huge for there
>> to be anywhere to copy it *to*.
>
> Huh? I can't even *buy* a hard drive that small any more, except on a
> laptop disk. A 160G disk is like $50 at the local shop. I have 10x that
> much space stuffed in my desktop machine.
Are you serious?
Last time I checked, 60 GB is the smallest. (They stopped selling 40 GB
a while ago though.) For whatever reason, HDs never sell for less than
the amount of metal in the case costs or something.
(At the exchange rate *before* the world entered a global recession, $50
Keep in mind that the servers all use SCSI, which for some reason is 10x
more expensive than PATA or SATA. None of the servers has more than 200
GB of storage online. (Some of them do have a single hot spare.) Most of
the drives are 36 GB each. Even on the brand new Dell rack-mount things
with the hot-swap brive bays.
>> To summarise: It's Wild Goose time! :-D
>
> Sounds like it!
Heh. Yeah, well, a challenge can be fun, right?
(Ooo, did I mention? The drive holding the data is in "dynamic disk"
mode. I forgot about that! TestDisk is very confused by this... I did
however find a tool which will happily undelete data from a mounted NTFS
partition. But surprise surprise, there's nothing to undelete.)
Hey, it's not *my* fault somebody screwed up. It's not like *I* get
yelled at. ;-)
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http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Are you serious?
Yeah. I just picked up a terabyte SATA drive for $120 a couple days ago,
for a backup. The smallest thing on the shelf that wasn't a laptop drive
was 160G, and those were all on clearance.
> Keep in mind that the servers all use SCSI, which for some reason is 10x
> more expensive than PATA or SATA.
Because there's much more logic on the hard drive than for the other
interfaces.
> But surprise surprise, there's nothing to undelete.)
Yeah. NTFS tends to reuse directory entries pretty aggressively, and
it's not like you can look at some bitmap somewhere to find erased data.
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Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
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"Orchid XP v8" <voi### [at] dev null> wrote in message
news:490b4e5d@news.povray.org...
>
> Last time I checked, 60 GB is the smallest. (They stopped selling 40 GB a
> while ago though.) For whatever reason, HDs never sell for less than about
> of metal in the case costs or something.
You can buy 80GB here, if you look hard enough. I looked for quite a while
and bought one that wasn't much cheaper than a 160. (80 GB drive for the OS.
More would have been wasted)
> (At the exchange rate *before* the world entered a global recession, $50
>
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"Darren New" <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote in message
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> Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>> Are you serious?
>
> Yeah. I just picked up a terabyte SATA drive for $120 a couple days ago,
> for a backup. The smallest thing on the shelf that wasn't a laptop drive
> was 160G, and those were all on clearance.
Sweet. I'm considering picking up a 500GB or 1TB drive while I'm over there
for an external. I should be able to get a casing here without much trouble,
but the drivers are definitly cheaper in the US, even considering the
exchange rate.
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On 31-Oct-08 13:13, Invisible wrote:
> The new global backup procedure that's being drafted will mean that
> backup tapes are stored *forever*. (With the corresponding astronomical
> increase in expenditure on new tapes and physical storage space. But
> hey, it's not my money.)
As long as the amount of data your company produces increases less than
the equivalent of moore's law for harddisk space (which I am pretty sure
it does) the expenditure will exponentially go down in time.
I first used floppy disks then switched to CD copies of my data, then
switched to DVD, now I simply buy a new harddisk. In the video about the
economic crash they said somewhere that people simply don't understand
exponential growth (IIRC), well they don't. Our 24 hour ECG (holter)
system does not make backups. People accept that because it takes a
we can not afford that, don't we? We have entered the era where storage
of a full CT scan is cheaper than the lab results because the latter is
on paper. If you still have copy machines at work, something has gone
wrong (we have and it did).
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Gail wrote:
> Sweet. I'm considering picking up a 500GB or 1TB drive while I'm over
You'll want to hit some sort of "warehouse" type store, aka a "big box"
store. Some place that would also sell (for example) bare motherboards
or empty cases. I tried googling appropriate terms, but I couldn't find
anything like that. Again, I suggest asking the concierge at the hotel.
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Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
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"Darren New" <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote in message
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> Gail wrote:
>> Sweet. I'm considering picking up a 500GB or 1TB drive while I'm over
>
> You'll want to hit some sort of "warehouse" type store, aka a "big box"
> store. Some place that would also sell (for example) bare motherboards or
> empty cases. I tried googling appropriate terms, but I couldn't find
> anything like that. Again, I suggest asking the concierge at the hotel.
There's a Fry's just outseide of Seattle. Planning on going there.
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Invisible wrote:
> Guess what? I need to recover some data.
>
> From March.
>
> Our backup rotation doesn't go back nearly that far. In other words, if
> there is to be *any hope* of getting that data back, I'm going to have
> to...
>
> ...undelete files.
Your backup rotation doesn't need to go back to date the file was
created. It just needs to go back to yesterday of the date the file was
*deleted*.
If the file was deleted in March, I'd put my bet on "there's no
possibility for undelete to work".
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Eero "Aero" Ahonen
http://www.zbxt.net
aer### [at] removethiszbxtnetinvalid
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Eero Ahonen wrote:
> Your backup rotation doesn't need to go back to date the file was
> created. It just needs to go back to yesterday of the date the file was
> *deleted*.
Correct.
> If the file was deleted in March, I'd put my bet on "there's no
> possibility for undelete to work".
Again... correct. :-D
(Actually, that's not completely true. A few of the files in the project
were actually undeleted successfuly. But not the ones we had no other
copies of. Obviously.)
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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Gail wrote:
> There's a Fry's just outseide of Seattle. Planning on going there.
Cool. That's a good place. I looked on their web site's "store locator"
and I didn't see anything listed near Seattle, but maybe I'm just blind.
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Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
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