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Darren New <dne### [at] san rrcom> wrote:
> > That could also become annoying if you are accustomed to click + drag a
> > certain amount + release, to select an option you use a lot.
> Sure, I suppose. I find that kind of menu always has my mouse sliding
> off the edge of the desk, tho, when I'm doing something repetitive. I
> guess if you're used to one way of working, another is going to annoy
> one until one gets used to it. Sounds like you have better mousing
> precision than I do. :-)
Not that much.
There's another very annoying feature which, as far as I remember, they
changed in Windows95 (or Windows98) compared to Windows 3.x: In the latter,
if you had a menu with a submenu, you would click on the menu element for
that submenu, and then it would open the submenu to be on the side of the
parent menu and, most importantly, it would *keep it open* until you select
something or click somewhere else.
In Win95 (or something) they changed this behavior to be much, much worse:
Now the submenu opens by simply hovering the menu element (not that bad in
itself) but if you unhover that element, it *closed* the submenu. There's
no way you can keep the submenu open other then carefully keeping the mouse
hovered on that parent menu element while you move it towards the submenu.
This is extremely annoying and irritating because it requires really precise
mouse handling to not to unhover and thus unintentionally close the submenu.
It can be difficult even to me, an experienced computer user. I can only
imagine how difficult it must be eg. for the elderly or people with
impariments.
The worst of all? Everybody has copied Microsoft on this! Now you can see
that braindead behavior everywhere. Even this KDE has it. It's annoying!
--
- Warp
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On Mon, 03 Nov 2008 09:44:10 -0800, Darren New wrote:
> Invisible wrote:
>> The new-style start menu is just horrid. Each time you use a different
>> program, the order of the icons on the start menu changes. Horrid,
>> horrid, horrid! >_<
>
> Heh. I like it.
GNOME does this sort of thing as well with the Computer menu - favourite
applications/documents with a "more" option (which shows a fixed list).
I've got that along with the traditional GNOME menu, but I tend to use
shortcuts on my panel or alt-f2 (equivalent of "Start->Run") most of the
time, or launch from a console window. :-)
Jim
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Warp wrote:
> This is extremely annoying and irritating because it requires really precise
> mouse handling to not to unhover and thus unintentionally close the submenu.
I'll second that. I often use the keyboard on long nested menus just for
that reason.
> The worst of all? Everybody has copied Microsoft on this!
That's another part of the kill. MS spends bunches of money testing this
sort of stuff, so everyone assumes they should copy it too.
Altho I will say, a lot of the vista visual tweaks seem very nice as
well as subtly useful. Not that I've more than a couple hours experience
with trying to get it all set up the way I want. :-)
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
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Invisible wrote:
> You jest, but I believe several companies are making serious moves in
> this direction. The idea is that the "software" exists on their servers,
> and is never installed on your machine, and you "rent" the right to
> access this software for X days for a given fee.
Web apps are an experiment for that: same concept, only free. The only next
step is start charging.
I hate web apps.
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Warp wrote:
> The worst of all? Everybody has copied Microsoft on this! Now you can
> see
> that braindead behavior everywhere. Even this KDE has it. It's annoying!
Websites with fancy navigation menus copy it *and* don't even implement a
delay. Everything is instant. Move mouse over a submenu and it INSTANTLY
shows it (closing the other).
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Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> Web apps are an experiment for that: same concept, only free. The only next
> step is start charging.
I take it you haven't used a commercial web-app. Like salesforce.com for
example. :-) It's not the next step, it's the previous step.
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Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
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On Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:33:13 -0200, Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> Web apps are an experiment for that: same concept, only free. The only
> next step is start charging.
"Software as a Service" or SaaS.
Jim
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Warp wrote:
>
> The worst of all? Everybody has copied Microsoft on this! Now you can see
> that braindead behavior everywhere. Even this KDE has it. It's annoying!
>
It's not the worst. The worst is that no system equipped with this
feature offers no choose. You can turn off XP's personalized menus. You
can turn off XP's new start-menu. AFAIK you can do the same on Vista.
But you *can't* turn off that submenufeature.
Once again, Afterstep <3. If you'll click on submenus headerbar, it
becames own window and stays there until you close it. Yep, you can even
click 10 Xterms open at the same menu.
-Aero
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Darren New wrote:
> Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
>> Web apps are an experiment for that: same concept, only free. The only
>> next step is start charging.
>
> I take it you haven't used a commercial web-app. Like salesforce.com for
> example. :-) It's not the next step, it's the previous step.
Sure I haven't... What *is* salesforce?
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Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> Sure I haven't... What *is* salesforce?
Until google bought them, it was a, well, sales force utility suite. The
sort of thing that tells you when the customer is likely to run out of
what you ordered, what their number is, who's in charge, etc.
Imagine if you're (say) a company selling auto parts to garages, or a
company selling copier machines to businesses. You have thousands of
customers, dozens of salesmen, all kinds of schedules, etc. Imagine
Outlook extended into dealing the the customers as well as internal
corporate stuff. Now, run it over the web. That's what salesforce.com was.
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
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