On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 21:09:08 +0100, Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:

>>> You get job ads like that *in your mailbox*?! o_O
>> 
>> Jobserve will do that for you.
>
>Really? All it seems to do for me is periodically send me an email 
>saying "hey, uh, we don't have any jobs for you right now, but why don't 
>you come check out our TOTALLY COOL WEBSITE?!"

I suppose that it depends on your search criteria. That and setting up your
profile to send you alerts.

>Which isn't very useful...

No not really :(
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     Stephen

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"Orchid XP v8" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
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> Gail wrote:
>
>> To answer the question, I don't recall if the ads were for Rails or plain 
>> Ruby. It's more that the language requested caught my eye as I deleted 
>> the job ad from my mail box.
>
> You get job ads like that *in your mailbox*?! o_O Next time you get one, 
> let m-- oh, wait...

Sure, and I frankly wish they'd stop sending them.
My CV is 99% SQL Server. Why do I get job adverts ranging from C++ 
programmer through php and Ruby and a bunch of other languages I've never 
coded in, right the way to project manager and HR administrator?

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Java is kinda out of my league right know, kinda too complex for a noob 
programmer yet but I think I will have to learn it in time since I have 
seen is the best for Internet-based apps, but every program made in Java 
is slow noticeably.

As I said before I think C++ is bizarre and C#even more, I have taken a 
beginner intro course to VisualBasic.NET and it sucked, damn you if you 
ever dare to go outside the window where the main code is or try to 
understand the headers or try to save a "program" to use it on another 
computer, you really need to know what to save in order to make i work 
if you're not saving the entire project this is. ASP.NET... I prefer to 
be as far way from Microsoft as possible, so I wont be learning any MS 
technology if I can help it, but thanks for the suggestions.

I think OrchidXP wants me to "convert" to Kaskell so I might give it a 
try and go in-depth on it, since as a Electronic Engineering student I 
might need to program partial derivates, integrals and other math for 
the circuit analysis on any big project in my small University.

Thanks guy, you were of help :D.

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Gail wrote:
> 
> "Orchid XP v8" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
> news:48d653cf@news.povray.org...
>> Warp wrote:
>>> Saul Luizaga <sau### [at] netscapenet> wrote:
>>>> any suggestions besides Haskell? (I'm checking its website right now).
>>>
>>>   Well, if you want to learn what the industry is using, Java and C# are
>>> probably sure bets.
>>
>> Yeah, C, C++, C#, Java, VisualBasic, ASP.NET, any of those... Those 
>> are the ones I tend to see job adverts for, in general.
> 
> ASP.Net's not a language. It's a web development 'framework'. ASP.net 
> pages are written in C# or VB.Net (or any other .net language).
> To add to that, php  (often with MySQL) for web development. I'm 
> starting to see a couple ads for Ruby, but not very many.
> 
> Saul, are you looking to learn a langage for hobby work or professionally?

Well Gail, just for my University only, PIC and other integrated circuit 
handling from the PC and to calculate some circuit's equations or some 
other telecommunication algorithms for projects or assigments and some 
statistics nothing big/professional, I would say 
hobby/self-teaching/want-to-stop-being-a-NOOB-programmer kinda 
motivation :).

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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>> You get job ads like that *in your mailbox*?! o_O
>>
>> Jobserve will do that for you.
> 
> Really? All it seems to do for me is periodically send me an email 
> saying "hey, uh, we don't have any jobs for you right now, but why don't 
> you come check out our TOTALLY COOL WEBSITE?!"
> 
> Which isn't very useful...
> 
hehehehehe :D

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OK guys, I have read all your suggestions and I will be looking for all 
of them in the internet and see which one suits me best right know and 
in the longterm, thanks a lot for you time and your good will, you have 
really guided me fast and wise about the Industry tendencies and most 
common, easy and powerful languages out there, priceless help in deed, I 
appreciate it and I wont forget this gesture towards me.

Best Regards, Saul.

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Gail wrote:
> Why do I get job adverts ranging from C++ 
> programmer through php and Ruby and a bunch of other languages I've 
> never coded in, right the way to project manager and HR administrator?

The same reason you get any other spam. It doesn't cost them anything, 
and you just might forward something like that on to someone else who 
takes the job and gives them their commission.

-- 
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)

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Warp wrote:
> Mueen Nawaz <m.n### [at] ieeeorg> wrote:
>>         I'd suggest also learning a scripting language. Python is my addiction.
> 
>   I believe the industry is more interested in PHP than in Python. At least
> on the web development side of the industry.

	I wasn't aware that he said he was focusing on Web development. 
Otherwise, I agree.

-- 
Dopeler effect: The tendency of stupid ideas to seem smarter when they 
come at you rapidly.


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"Saul Luizaga" <sau### [at] netscapenet> wrote in message 
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> Well Gail, just for my University only, PIC and other integrated circuit 
> handling from the PC and to calculate some circuit's equations or some 
> other telecommunication algorithms for projects or assigments and some 
> statistics nothing big/professional, I would say 
> hobby/self-teaching/want-to-stop-being-a-NOOB-programmer kinda motivation 
> :).

I'd say Java or C# then. They're complex, but once you have an understanding 
it'll go a long way to learning other languages if you want.
Get a book though. Learning by yourself is not the way to go with these 
languages.

Though if yiou're rabidly anti-MS, that means that C# is out too. Pity, 
cause it's actually a nice language. Designed by the same person who did 
Delphi.

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Gail wrote:
> 
> "Saul Luizaga" <sau### [at] netscapenet> wrote in message 
> news:48d6d3f3$1@news.povray.org...
> 
>> Well Gail, just for my University only, PIC and other integrated 
>> circuit handling from the PC and to calculate some circuit's equations 
>> or some other telecommunication algorithms for projects or assigments 
>> and some statistics nothing big/professional, I would say 
>> hobby/self-teaching/want-to-stop-being-a-NOOB-programmer kinda 
>> motivation :).
> 
> I'd say Java or C# then. They're complex, but once you have an 
> understanding it'll go a long way to learning other languages if you want.
> Get a book though. Learning by yourself is not the way to go with these 
> languages.
> 
> Though if yiou're rabidly anti-MS, that means that C# is out too. Pity, 
> cause it's actually a nice language. Designed by the same person who did 
> Delphi.
I see...

But you see, what I meant in my first post about C++ was that you can 
make and entire program in the HEADER of a for loop, I stand correct, 
and other structures; in the header? really? that is way too... crazy? I 
know this coz I was trying to learn C++ from a book, and taking this 
powerful abstractions the language was simple and very understandable, I 
really liked, but also was discouraged by the perspective that you'd 
need a fair number of hours to do things in a efficient time frame, I 
think, so maybe Haskel is the way to go for now.

One pro of C++/C# is that in every job requisite list I see: 
programming/mastering C++ a plus. I rarely see they mention any other 
language, and Haskel? never read/heard about it until this thread (sry 
OrchidXPv8).

One more small favor can you briefly tell me the difference between C++ 
and C#, what improvements did this person to C#? Almost everyone here 
has recommended it and no comments saying otherwise have been post, so 
it must be powerful, I have no doubt, but I'd like to know that 
difference to have a more complete opinion about C Language.

Thank you, I appreciate your advice.

Best Regards.

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