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Invisible <voi### [at] dev null> wrote:
> I think somebody needs to sit down and write an OS which *is* designed
> for people's dads to use.
Apple has already done that. MacOS has been always designed to be very
easy for average persons to use (unlike Windows, no matter how much MS and
Windows fanatics lie about this).
But of course Apple is never an option to you.
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- Warp
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Am Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:29:05 +0100 schrieb Invisible:
> Michael Zier wrote:
>>> I think somebody needs to sit down and write an OS which *is* designed
>>> for people's dads to use.
>>>
>> IMHO, I'd say that the key obstacle would be the vast diversity of
>> hardware you can find on people's dads computers.
>
> Both Windoze and Linux seem to have got around that, not to mention
> MacOS. So it can't be that insurmountable...
Yes, but isn't it so, that hardware/driver issues are the most prominent
problems People's Dads (TM) run into (maybe followed by incomprehensible
error messages).
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Warp wrote:
> Apple has already done that. MacOS has been always designed to be very
> easy for average persons to use (unlike Windows, no matter how much MS and
> Windows fanatics lie about this).
I was under the impression that MacOS X is just Unix with a prettier UI?
> But of course Apple is never an option to you.
Well, that's a whole "other" discussion too...
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Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Warp wrote:
> > Apple has already done that. MacOS has been always designed to be very
> > easy for average persons to use (unlike Windows, no matter how much MS and
> > Windows fanatics lie about this).
> I was under the impression that MacOS X is just Unix with a prettier UI?
A kernel doesn't make the OS.
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- Warp
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>>> Apple has already done that. MacOS has been always designed to be very
>>> easy for average persons to use (unlike Windows, no matter how much MS and
>>> Windows fanatics lie about this).
>
>> I was under the impression that MacOS X is just Unix with a prettier UI?
>
> A kernel doesn't make the OS.
Depends how you define "kernel".
How different is MacOS? Is it just a typical Unix environment with a
different UI shell running on top? Or is it more fundamentally different
than that under the hood?
--
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http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Depends how you define "kernel".
> How different is MacOS? Is it just a typical Unix environment with a
> different UI shell running on top? Or is it more fundamentally different
> than that under the hood?
It is quite different from typical unix systems. For example, it
implements many file system features (such as metadata) that typical
unix systems don't have. Also the windowing system is its own entity
and has nothing to do with unix.
Of course the great thing is that you *can* compile and run most unix
programs in it if you want. IIRC it can even emulate the X windowing system
so you can run graphical unix programs as well.
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- Warp
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Eero Ahonen wrote:
> People who have no clue about computers and know it are a lot wiser with
> computers than people who have no clue but don't know it. Last group
> tries to fix everything themselves, while only doing things worse.
I have just got back to my desk after another support call from one of
our lab staff.
I've seen many things - people who accidentally removed the taskbar,
deleted a print queue, stuff like that. But even today, after working
here for 5 years, users are still finding new ways to surprise me.
This user called me over because she has somehow rotated the display on
Somehow, she did it.
Quoting Einstein: "There are only two things that are infinite - the
universe, and human stupidity. And I'm not even completely sure about
the first one..."
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http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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>> How different is MacOS? Is it just a typical Unix environment with a
>> different UI shell running on top? Or is it more fundamentally different
>> than that under the hood?
>
> It is quite different from typical unix systems. For example, it
> implements many file system features (such as metadata) that typical
> unix systems don't have. Also the windowing system is its own entity
> and has nothing to do with unix.
If you look at any typical Unix, you'll see the following things:
- The /dev folder.
- init and getty (and that whole TTY mess).
- Runlevel scripts (written in Bash, obviously).
- at and cron.
- UIDs, GIDs, setuid, setgid, sticky bit and associated chaos.
How much of this sort of thing does MacOS have?
> Of course the great thing is that you *can* compile and run most unix
> programs in it if you want. IIRC it can even emulate the X windowing system
> so you can run graphical unix programs as well.
Yeah... I recall Haskell doesn't have any bindings for the native UI
yet, so many people on MacOS evidently run X so they can use the
standard X bindings instead...
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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Invisible wrote:
> I think somebody needs to sit down and write an OS which *is* designed
> for people's dads to use.
That's what Singularity is supposed to be about, in part. Unfortunately,
everyone's going to say "I don't want some big bad company managing my
software for me."
Linux also fits that bill, as in TiVO, where the company that sold it to
you manages it for you.
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
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Invisible wrote:
>
> - The /dev folder.
> - init and getty (and that whole TTY mess).
> - Runlevel scripts (written in Bash, obviously).
> - at and cron.
> - UIDs, GIDs, setuid, setgid, sticky bit and associated chaos.
>
> How much of this sort of thing does MacOS have?
>
AFAIK ~all of them. But most of the users never even see them.
--
Eero "Aero" Ahonen
http://www.zbxt.net
aer### [at] removethiszbxtnetinvalid
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