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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Widor's toccata
Date: 19 Aug 2008 16:36:37
Message: <48ab2ed5$1@news.povray.org>
Oh my God... I just found an illegal copy of the sheet music on teh 
interwebs! Muhuhuhu!! >:-D

OK.. So I realise it says "toccata" on it... but... OMFG!! o_O

*dies*

I thought my hand was going to span in half by the time I got to the 
second page! Seriously - an inteval of a 10th?! How big do you think my 
friggin' hards are?!! 0_0

Also... I mean, Mr Bach's Toccata & Fugue is pretty damned hard, but 
*this* piece of music appears to be actually impossible. As in, there 
are *three* lines of notes, yet homo sapiens only has *two* hands. And 
it's not like there's any chance of modulating either - one hand is 
holding down 4-note block chords, the other if flying through an 
insessant torrent of quarter notes, and the third... hand... is supposed 
to be holding down sustained bass notes...? I'm confused.

**** me, it sounds good though!

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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Widor's toccata
Date: 19 Aug 2008 16:45:44
Message: <48ab30f8$1@news.povray.org>
Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Also... I mean, Mr Bach's Toccata & Fugue is pretty damned hard,

I was amused to learn it was not uncommon for composers to write music, 
then go to conductors etc and ask "is it possible to perform this?"

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Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)


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From: Halbert
Subject: Re: Widor's toccata
Date: 19 Aug 2008 16:48:01
Message: <48ab3181@news.povray.org>
That should be about the largest interval you will encounter in onventional 
keyboard music. While the music indicates the notes are to be played 
simultaneously, it is forgivable for those with smaller hands to play the 
notes in a quick rapid succession (like a grace note). Or, if you have a 
largish proboscis, you could peck the note at the appropriate time.

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From: Halbert
Subject: Re: Widor's toccata
Date: 19 Aug 2008 16:50:04
Message: <48ab31fc$1@news.povray.org>
Or, are you required to use the sostenuto pedal on that passage?


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From: Halbert
Subject: Re: Widor's toccata
Date: 19 Aug 2008 16:54:50
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"Halbert" <hal### [at] gmailcom> wrote in message 
news:48ab31fc$1@news.povray.org...
> Or, are you required to use the sostenuto pedal on that passage?
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Answering my own question: Duh, it's an organ piece! ( Organs do not have 
sostenudo pedals.)


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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: Widor's toccata
Date: 19 Aug 2008 17:02:09
Message: <48ab34d1$1@news.povray.org>
Wow... 4 replies in the time it takes to have a shower!

Oh, wait...

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From: St 
Subject: Re: Widor's toccata
Date: 19 Aug 2008 17:22:57
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"Halbert" <hal### [at] gmailcom> wrote in message 
news:48ab3181@news.povray.org...
> That should be about the largest interval you will encounter in 
> onventional keyboard music. While the music indicates the notes are to be 
> played simultaneously, it is forgivable for those with smaller hands to 
> play the notes in a quick rapid succession (like a grace note). Or, if you 
> have a largish proboscis, you could peck the note at the appropriate time.


 LOL!!! Thanks for that! Wasn't expecting it, then fell off my chair!!  :) 
:)

    ~Steve~



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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Widor's toccata
Date: 19 Aug 2008 17:31:30
Message: <48ab3bb2@news.povray.org>
Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Oh my God... I just found an illegal copy of the sheet music on teh 
> interwebs! Muhuhuhu!! >:-D

  Given that the toccata was composed in 1879 I think it has long ago
passed into public domain, even if we take into account the Mickey Mouse
Protection Act in the US.

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From: Kevin Wampler
Subject: Re: Widor's toccata
Date: 19 Aug 2008 17:31:38
Message: <48ab3bba$1@news.povray.org>
Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Oh my God... I just found an illegal copy of the sheet music on teh 
> interwebs! Muhuhuhu!! >:-D

Considering he died in 1937 his music should by now be public domain in 
much of the world (though I don't know about England specifically).

> I thought my hand was going to span in half by the time I got to the 
> second page! Seriously - an inteval of a 10th?! How big do you think my 
> friggin' hards are?!! 0_0

Big enough to span a 10th I'd imagine, I don't think that's terribly 
uncommon in keyboard.  You should enjoy this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifKKlhYF53w

> Also... I mean, Mr Bach's Toccata & Fugue is pretty damned hard,

It all depends on what you measure it's difficulty relative to.  I'd say 
that it's actually one of the easier classical organ pieces (though I'm 
not very familiar with what the standard organ repertoire would be).

This is not to diminish the effort you spent learning it of course, it's 
certainly challenging enough to present a challenge to people without 
serious training in the instrument.  (as a note, it's also at about the 
limit of my meager piano skills).

> *this* piece of music appears to be actually impossible. As in, there 
> are *three* lines of notes, yet homo sapiens only has *two* hands.

I assume you're talking about the toccata from his Symphony No.5 for 
organ?  The third staff would be for the foot pedals -- almost all organ 
music will have three staves. If your version of Bach's Toccata and 
Fugue didn't, it was probably a piano reduction of the original 3-staff 
organ score.

That said, there is honest to goodness piano music with three staves, 
but it's a bit less common (although still not all that rare).


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Widor's toccata
Date: 19 Aug 2008 17:42:40
Message: <48ab3e50$1@news.povray.org>
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:36:37 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:

> As in, there are
> *three* lines of notes, yet homo sapiens only has *two* hands.

Only per person.  Maybe it's written for "four hands".  I've seen the 
occasional piece for 3 hands; I often could manage the third hand (but 
not the fourth - my left hand is stupid when it comes to piano). :-)

Jim


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