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Jim Henderson wrote:
> I think most people are nervous about public speaking to some degree.
Good. It's nice to know I know *something* about something...
> Whenever I get up in front of a class (or one of the toughest crowds - an
> audience of other instructors, which I do at least once a year for a
> whole day - along with several other presenters that I select), I'm
> always nervous and I *always* think I've done a poor job. It's
> reassuring to have these people - many of whom are lifelong instructors -
> come up and tell me what a good job I did.
See, this is the part I'm missing. I always think I did poorly, but
nobody ever comes up to me and says "hey, you did that really well".
Possibly just because I don't have any friends, I'm not sure.
The *best* thing about performing Shakespear live is... the audience is
asleep anyway! ;-)
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On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 18:58:10 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>> It massively increases the probability of people liking you. (Which
>>> is, after all, the most important thing in life.)
>>
>> I would disagree. The most important thing to me in life is to be
>> respected. People who like you but disrespect you are not friends;
>> they're people who generally see you as a means to an end.
>>
>> I also rank highly along with respect is that people see me as being
>> ethical, fair, and honest. I wouldn't give up those principles just to
>> have "people" like me. People come and go. Ethics, honesty, fairness
>> - these things stick with you your entire life.
>
> I would say that I want to be liked by the right people.
>
> Those are the kind of people who wouldn't like me if I *wasn't* fair,
> ethical and honest.
>
> Different axioms, same conclusion.
Well, it's fair to say there are people *here* who like you. So that's a
start.
Jim
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On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:00:08 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>
>> I think most people are nervous about public speaking to some degree.
>
> Good. It's nice to know I know *something* about something...
Well, you've demonstrated that repeatedly here.
>> Whenever I get up in front of a class (or one of the toughest crowds -
>> an audience of other instructors, which I do at least once a year for a
>> whole day - along with several other presenters that I select), I'm
>> always nervous and I *always* think I've done a poor job. It's
>> reassuring to have these people - many of whom are lifelong instructors
>> - come up and tell me what a good job I did.
>
> See, this is the part I'm missing. I always think I did poorly, but
> nobody ever comes up to me and says "hey, you did that really well".
> Possibly just because I don't have any friends, I'm not sure.
It's got nothing to do with having friends or not in the audience. I
consider the vast majority of the people in my instructor program to be
professional colleagues. A few are good friends, but not many (less than
1% certainly - the program's not that big).
I think the audience also does matter - in retrospect, having an audience
of people who teach, they know the importance of telling a speaker
they've done a good job. General audiences tend not to unless they're
asked to do a formal evaluation (and even then many don't - I've
presented to groups of a couple hundred and only had 3 or 4 formal
evaluations come back - and almost *always* from the ones who weren't
happy about something).
With a general audience, no feedback is generally considered a good
thing, because *most* people will tend to say something only if they're
unhappy.
I hadn't really thought about that before. It's not really that
different from my experiences in the Novell Forums as a SysOp there,
though - the only customers who came in were the ones who were having
problems - people didn't come in and say "just wanted to say,
everything's working fine - well done, Novell!".
> The *best* thing about performing Shakespear live is... the audience is
> asleep anyway! ;-)
There is also that possibility, though I find usually if someone in the
audience is put to sleep by a presentation, they'll be one of the
complainers. Often they will complain that you didn't cover something
that you did - they just weren't paying attention and missed it.
Jim
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Jim Henderson wrote:
> Well, it's fair to say there are people *here* who like you. So that's a
> start.
Aye, that I'll grant ye.
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Jim Henderson wrote:
> I think the audience also does matter - in retrospect, having an audience
> of people who teach, they know the importance of telling a speaker
> they've done a good job.
Aye, that makes sense.
> With a general audience, no feedback is generally considered a good
> thing, because *most* people will tend to say something only if they're
> unhappy.
No news is good news? ;-)
>> The *best* thing about performing Shakespear live is... the audience is
>> asleep anyway! ;-)
>
> There is also that possibility, though I find usually if someone in the
> audience is put to sleep by a presentation, they'll be one of the
> complainers. Often they will complain that you didn't cover something
> that you did - they just weren't paying attention and missed it.
I still remember Zimin Wo. (Yes, that was is actual name.) Nobody ever
listened to his lectures. People were openly using it as an excuse to
catch up on sleep after that wild all-night student partying that normal
students apparently get up to.
Ways to wake up a sleeping audience:
Lecturer: "Uh, ok, uh, so den we have ah fisicol layer, da data link
layer, an den presentashon layer..."
Guy at the back: "PRINCESS LAYER!"
Mmm, OK, I guess you had to be there... Trust me, it was damned funny! ;-)
--
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On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:29:10 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>> With a general audience, no feedback is generally considered a good
>> thing, because *most* people will tend to say something only if they're
>> unhappy.
>
> No news is good news? ;-)
Yeah, generally speaking. :-) Maybe nobody was wowed to the point of
telling you, but nobody complained either, and that's a good thing.
> I still remember Zimin Wo. (Yes, that was is actual name.) Nobody ever
> listened to his lectures. People were openly using it as an excuse to
> catch up on sleep after that wild all-night student partying that normal
> students apparently get up to.
LOL, I had a chem professor like that. He used to lecture the chalkboard
for 2 hours at a time while doing chemical balancing equations.
I also remember going to a presentation by an IBM software engineer on
NDS (Novell's first generation directory service) on IBM mainframes. He
lectured the podium in a very soft voice. I was quite upset, actually,
because I was interested in the topic, but even in the 3rd row, I
couldn't hear him.
> Ways to wake up a sleeping audience:
>
> Lecturer: "Uh, ok, uh, so den we have ah fisicol layer, da data link
> layer, an den presentashon layer..."
>
> Guy at the back: "PRINCESS LAYER!"
>
> Mmm, OK, I guess you had to be there... Trust me, it was damned funny!
> ;-)
I could see that....Back when I used to go to church, we had a pastor who
was known to have thrown an American football into the congregation at a
football player who used to fall asleep during the sermon.
While probably not something I'd do - physical interaction does tend to
keep people awake. When teaching, I occasionally liked to have spiffs to
throw out to the class in order to wake them up. I did that at my
instructor summit last year as well as part of the "warm up" in the
morning (and again after lunch and each break). Of course, that only
works with *soft* spiffs - I wouldn't want to give away, say, an external
hard drive by throwing it into a crowd. :)
Jim
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"Jim Henderson" <nos### [at] nospam com> wrote in message
news:4877ae3f$1@news.povray.org...
> Of course, that only
> works with *soft* spiffs - I wouldn't want to give away, say, an external
> hard drive by throwing it into a crowd. :)
>
Lol.
Had something similar at a recent MS event. Presenter says that he has lots
of stuff to give away over the course of the day.
"I have stress balls," he says, and throws two of them into the crowd.
"I have T-shirts," he says and tosses one into the crowd.
"I have some nice hardcover books," he says, hoisting three into the air as
if to throw. People in the front couple of rows duck. He grins and puts the
books back down, "Maybe I shouldn't throw these"
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Gail Shaw wrote:
> Had something similar at a recent MS event. Presenter says that he has lots
> of stuff to give away over the course of the day.
> "I have stress balls," he says, and throws two of them into the crowd.
> "I have T-shirts," he says and tosses one into the crowd.
> "I have some nice hardcover books," he says, hoisting three into the air as
> if to throw. People in the front couple of rows duck. He grins and puts the
> books back down, "Maybe I shouldn't throw these"
Ah, the art of a TRUE presenter! ;-)
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Invisible wrote:
>>> (And girlie is apparently even more busy, and not too keen on meeting
>>> me alone it seems...)
>>
>> Not a bad thing, actually.
>>
>> Good news is, if she wants to double date, she's not thinking of you
>> as 'just a friend'.
>
> Nah. She's explicitly not looking for a BF.
Girls *always* say that, and then end up dating the first guy with the
guts to ask them out.
Don't let it put you off :)
Of course, don't stalk her, either! It's important that she be
comfortable with you, so don't try to push something she isn't ready
for. Just hang out with her, and who knows? You might find out she's a
great friend, but *not* someone you want to date. Or, things could go
the other way, and we'd have to find a new mascot :)
...Chambers
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>> Nah. She's explicitly not looking for a BF.
>
> Girls *always* say that, and then end up dating the first guy with the
> guts to ask them out.
Erm... this girl has just come out of an abusive relationship with a guy
who used to physically beat her. I'm pretty sure she's not kidding.
> Don't let it put you off :)
>
> Of course, don't stalk her, either! It's important that she be
> comfortable with you, so don't try to push something she isn't ready
> for. Just hang out with her, and who knows? You might find out she's a
> great friend, but *not* someone you want to date. Or, things could go
> the other way, and we'd have to find a new mascot :)
That's more or less my plan, but... she's so hard to hang out with!
She's always "busy". :-(
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