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From: Phil Cook
Subject: Re: About sounds in space in movies
Date: 25 Jun 2008 06:16:52
Message: <op.udausagkc3xi7v@news.povray.org>
And lo on Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:05:36 +0100, m_a_r_c  
<jac### [at] wanadoofr> did spake, saying:

>
> "Chambers" <ben### [at] pacificwebguycom> a écrit dans le message de news:
> 48610211$1@news.povray.org...
> .
>>
>> Music doesn't do this, because there's music constantly throughout the
>> movie, so I already disassociate it with the physical location of the
>> shot.
>>
> Music does not do that because it is the more often not 'in situation'
> though I remember some gags, specially in Mel Brooks movies...(Blazing
> Saddles?) .
> As (did not) said Gilles  the London Philharmonic is obviousely not  
> flying in space.

"The Simpson Files" killed incidental music for me with the oncoming  
Springfield Philharmoic tour bus :-)

A book I read had a character in a palace who got annoyed with the  
constant background music, pulled aside a curtain in his room and found a  
muscian there. Turned out that as an honoured guest he was assigned a  
musician who followed him around keeping out of sight and providing  
appropriate mood music.

OTOH watching some TV shows from the early eighties and before it's  
strange how you notice that the majority of the time there isn't any music  
playing in the background and how quiet it all seems, somehow more  
intense; might just be me though.

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Phil Cook

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From: Phil Cook
Subject: Re: About sounds in space in movies
Date: 25 Jun 2008 06:24:21
Message: <op.udau4mm6c3xi7v@news.povray.org>
And lo on Tue, 24 Jun 2008 22:51:26 +0100, Stephen <mcavoysAT@aolDOTcom>  
did spake, saying:

> On 23 Jun 2008 17:50:58 -0400, Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
>
>>  Everybody knows that there's no sound in space, and everybody knows  
>> that
>> the vast majority of scifi movies get this wrong and present sounds  
>> audible
>> in space, which is physically impossible, and thus an inaccuracy.
>
> [snip]
>
> Has no one heard of the phrase "The suspension of disbelief"?
>
> It's a film and the people in it are actors.

Nooooooo! Next you'll be saying programmes like Emmerdale and Eastenders  
aren't real either and that there really isn't a suburb of Liverpool  
populated solely by attractive people between the ages of 18 and 25.

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Phil Cook

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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: About sounds in space in movies
Date: 25 Jun 2008 06:52:11
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On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:23:00 +0100, "Phil Cook"
<phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:

>Nooooooo! Next you'll be saying

Santa Claus!
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     Stephen


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From: Phil Cook
Subject: Re: About sounds in space in movies
Date: 25 Jun 2008 07:34:20
Message: <op.udayejm6c3xi7v@news.povray.org>
And lo on Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:52:09 +0100, Stephen <mcavoysAT@aolDOTcom>  
did spake, saying:

> On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:23:00 +0100, "Phil Cook"
> <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
>
>> Nooooooo! Next you'll be saying
>
> Santa Claus!

Pfft everyone knows Santa Claus is fictional; just like the Tooth Fairy,  
the Easter Bunny, and Jesus.

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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: About sounds in space in movies
Date: 25 Jun 2008 08:21:47
Message: <g2e4649mb0mrtflhf2gougvak4l8d8rtrv@4ax.com>
On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:33:45 +0100, "Phil Cook"
<phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:

>And lo on Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:52:09 +0100, Stephen <mcavoysAT@aolDOTcom>  
>did spake, saying:
>
>> On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:23:00 +0100, "Phil Cook"
>> <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
>>
>>> Nooooooo! Next you'll be saying
>>
>> Santa Claus!
>
>Pfft everyone knows Santa Claus is fictional; just like the Tooth Fairy,  
>the Easter Bunny, and Jesus.
>

How can the last one be when he walked on your green and pleasant
lands?
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     Stephen


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From: Phil Cook
Subject: Re: About sounds in space in movies
Date: 25 Jun 2008 09:24:05
Message: <op.uda3c9wuc3xi7v@news.povray.org>
And lo on Wed, 25 Jun 2008 13:21:45 +0100, Stephen <mcavoysAT@aolDOTcom>  
did spake, saying:

> On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:33:45 +0100, "Phil Cook"
> <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
>
>> And lo on Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:52:09 +0100, Stephen <mcavoysAT@aolDOTcom>
>> did spake, saying:
>>
>>> On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:23:00 +0100, "Phil Cook"
>>> <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Nooooooo! Next you'll be saying
>>>
>>> Santa Claus!
>>
>> Pfft everyone knows Santa Claus is fictional; just like the Tooth Fairy,
>> the Easter Bunny, and Jesus.
>
> How can the last one be when he walked on your green and pleasant
> lands?

Odd that bit never made the novel; I'd have thought all the fights where  
he led the centaurs against the orcs would have been a shoe-in. We can  
blame the editors I suppose.

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Phil Cook

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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: About sounds in space in movies
Date: 25 Jun 2008 10:43:33
Message: <tbm464h60di7ddc3u9g2itrl8l95s2sh4j@4ax.com>
On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:20:59 +0100, "Phil Cook"
<phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:

>>> Pfft everyone knows Santa Claus is fictional; just like the Tooth Fairy,
>>> the Easter Bunny, and Jesus.
>>
>> How can the last one be when he walked on your green and pleasant
>> lands?
>
>Odd that bit never made the novel; I'd have thought all the fights where  
>he led the centaurs against the orcs would have been a shoe-in. We can  
>blame the editors I suppose.
>
LOL <boggle, boggle, boggle>
No one ever expects the "Editors" :)
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     Stephen


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: About sounds in space in movies
Date: 25 Jun 2008 16:16:44
Message: <4862a7ab@news.povray.org>
Chambers <ben### [at] pacificwebguycom> wrote:
> Not necessarily.  When watching a really good movie, I feel like "I am 
> there."  It's a strange split; I experience the Point of View (gotta be 
> careful writing POV in these forums!), yet without the concerns of 
> actually being there such as danger from suffocation (or errant enemy 
> fire!).  As long as I can imagine that I see and hear things from the 
> point in space where the camera sits, I can forget about the camera and 
> merrily enjoy the illusion.  This is, after all, what Suspension of 
> Disbelief is all about.

  So if the camera is filming, from 10 meters away, two subjects talking,
you expect to be just barely able to hear some talking, but since the
movie soundtrack will nevertheless have them talking at a clearly audible
volume, that ruins the movie for you?

  Moreover, if they are on the street, and the camera is close to the
driveway, you'll expect hearing passing cars much louder than the talking?

  If they are inside an establishment and the camera is outside, filming
them through a window, you expect not to hear what they are saying?

  Why is this movie convention ok everywhere else, but not in space?

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From: Warp
Subject: Re: About sounds in space in movies
Date: 25 Jun 2008 16:20:06
Message: <4862a875@news.povray.org>
Phil Cook <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
> Pfft everyone knows Santa Claus is fictional; just like the Tooth Fairy,  
> the Easter Bunny, and Jesus.

  Nothing ruins a friendly chat better than trolling.

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                                                          - Warp


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From: Gail Shaw
Subject: Re: About sounds in space in movies
Date: 25 Jun 2008 16:44:08
Message: <4862ae18@news.povray.org>
"Phil Cook" <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote in message
news:op.uda3c9wuc3xi7v@news.povray.org...
> >
> > How can the last one be when he walked on your green and pleasant
> > lands?
>
> Odd that bit never made the novel; I'd have thought all the fights where
> he led the centaurs against the orcs would have been a shoe-in. We can
> blame the editors I suppose.

RotFL


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