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On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 20:45:34 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>> Reality doesn't make sense to me...
>>
>> It's called "bulk pricing". Covad can buy telco service in bulk. I
>> can't. :-)
>
> Riiight... so why don't Qwest just match Covad's price [which obviously
> they can trivially do] and put Covad out of business?
That's called "anticompetitive behaviour" and ostensibly illegal in the
US (doesn't stop people from trying, though). Also because from an
economic standpoint, they'd have to lower the rates for the individual
buyers who use their service as well, so it makes sense to sell at a
higher price to those willing to pay for it, and for those (like me) who
are smarter than the average bear to go with the cheaper option than the
default (which is to get my DSL service from my telco provider).
>>> Anyway, you get your DSL cheaper, but what if it breaks? If it's
>>> actually a Qwest DSL line, presumably only Qwest can actually fix it
>>> if it breaks. And that means that if it breaks, you have to spend 3
>>> hours on the phone to Covad to convince them that it's broken, and
>>> then they have to spend 3 hours on the phone to Qwest, and then
>>> *maybe* somebody will fix it?
>>
>> That is a fair point. Had a lightning strike here a few years ago (at
>> the Covad CO), and they couldn't track it down. They blamed Qwest, and
>> Qwest blamed them.
>
> Ah yes, the "it's nobody's fault" syndrome. ;-)
Yep. They got it fixed on Monday. Turned out the CO that was struck was
Qwest's, and about 40,000 people were without telephone service over the
weekend. I'm guessing that they assumed there was no problem because the
support phone lines weren't all lit up. I wonder why *that* would be?
Jim
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> The point being, they made a very simple and basic security mistake.
They used the same hash UNIX was using at the time. It only became a
security mistake later, when they needed to keep backward compatibility
with it.
> they had used an established standard rather than trying to invent a
> wheel from scratch themselves, this wouldn't have happened.
Even had they used DES, it wouldn't have helped, the way they hashed
longer passwords. The problem is they started with short passwords, just
like everyone else in the world at the time.
> Not the first time either. The world uses DNS, M$ invents WINS. What was
> THAT about??
Because DNS didn't have real-time dynamic updates when WINS was
invented. Hence, you basically couldn't combine DHCP with DNS, so MS
made WINS. Plus, since people could assign their own names, they needed
a way to make them unique. Plus, DNS is tied to TCP/IP, and WINS isn't.
In other words, no, at the time, the world did *not* use DNS. Not until
about 10 years later was enough of the world off of LAN-specific
protocols (like NetBIOS, IPX, DecNET, Novell's things, etc) that you
could afford to ignore every form of networking except IP.
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
"That's pretty. Where's that?"
"It's the Age of Channelwood."
"We should go there on vacation some time."
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Stephen wrote:
> I do wish you hadn't posted that Darren, he's not funny
He's often pretty amusing. Of course, if you take him seriously, he's
just obnoxious. He's funny in a crosses-the-line-twice sort of way.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CrossesTheLineTwice
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
"That's pretty. Where's that?"
"It's the Age of Channelwood."
"We should go there on vacation some time."
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Riiight... so why don't Qwest just match Covad's price [which obviously
> they can trivially do] and put Covad out of business?
It's a risk thing. Covad agrees to pay Qwest $X for Y minutes of phone
time a month, whether it's used or not. Covad may very well lose money,
or make money, but Qwest knows what they're making.
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
"That's pretty. Where's that?"
"It's the Age of Channelwood."
"We should go there on vacation some time."
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Darren New wrote:
> Because DNS didn't have real-time dynamic updates when WINS was
> invented.
Actually, looking closer, WINS and DNS were both invented at
approximately the same time (within months of each other). Neither was
invented by Microsoft. And for about 4 years after NetBIOS was in fairly
wide use, NetBIOS didn't have any standard encapsulation on top of IP,
so worrying about people cracking passwords was limited to the people
sitting next to you at the office. And five years after *that*, people
standardized Kerberos.
So, a bit of history goes a long way towards explaining things. At
least, much further than incredulity. :-)
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
"That's pretty. Where's that?"
"It's the Age of Channelwood."
"We should go there on vacation some time."
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On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 15:19:30 -0700, Darren New wrote:
> Novell's things
aka IPX and SPX. ;-)
Jim
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On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 15:22:53 -0700, Darren New <dne### [at] san rrcom>
wrote:
>Stephen wrote:
>> I do wish you hadn't posted that Darren, he's not funny
>
>He's often pretty amusing. Of course, if you take him seriously, he's
>just obnoxious. He's funny in a crosses-the-line-twice sort of way.
>
>http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CrossesTheLineTwice
I suppose a lot is derived from audience feedback where he makes a
fool of himself and thinks that they are laughing with him not at him.
And he sounds like the sort of person who thinks he is smarter than he
actually is.
Besides that how can you cross-the-line-twice, over puns? :)
--
Regards
Stephen
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>> Novell's things
>
> aka IPX and SPX. ;-)
Oh, that was *them*, was it?
[I don't have fond memories of IPX...]
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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>> Riiight... so why don't Qwest just match Covad's price [which
>> obviously they can trivially do] and put Covad out of business?
>
> It's a risk thing. Covad agrees to pay Qwest $X for Y minutes of phone
> time a month, whether it's used or not. Covad may very well lose money,
> or make money, but Qwest knows what they're making.
Now that at least makes some kind of sense...
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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Stephen wrote:
> And he sounds like the sort of person who thinks he is smarter than he
> actually is.
I think you're taking him more seriously than a web site named "the best
page in the universe" warrants. :-)
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
"That's pretty. Where's that?"
"It's the Age of Channelwood."
"We should go there on vacation some time."
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