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On Thu, 05 Jun 2008 17:49:59 +0100, Doctor John wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Thu, 05 Jun 2008 11:31:14 -0400, Sabrina Kilian wrote:
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>>> It's illegal for our government to spy on us,
>>
>> That reportedly hasn't stopped the current administration from doing
>> just that...
>>
>> Jim
> Agreed. It seems that too often democratically elected governments seem
> to think that since they make the laws they are not necessarily bound by
> them - a modification of the Leona Helmsley priciple methinks.
Yeah. I didn't vote for Bush either time, but I'm constantly amazed at
what I perceive as the "the law can't touch us" mentality in the
administration.
I won't even start on FISA....
Jim
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Doctor John <doc### [at] gmail com> wrote:
> Agreed. It seems that too often democratically elected governments seem
> to think that since they make the laws they are not necessarily bound by
> them - a modification of the Leona Helmsley priciple methinks.
I'd say it's more the classical principle of "the end justifies the
means". From the point of view of the gornment bending the law is
justified if the reason for doing it is good enough. For example,
averting terrorism is a good goal, and if reducing people's privacy
(even against existing laws) is necessary to do that, it's justified.
Of course this just causes the moral dilemma of "two wrongs don't make
a right": Trying to avert evil by doing evil yourself might not be the
proper way.
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- Warp
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On Thu, 05 Jun 2008 17:05:50 +0200, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Hmm - you have any idea how much data flows through AN ENTIRE COUNTRY
> per day?
>
> Quite a bit.
They recently acquired number five on this list:
http://www.top500.org/lists/2007/11
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FE
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Warp wrote:
> I'd say it's more the classical principle of "the end justifies the
> means". From the point of view of the gornment bending the law is
> justified if the reason for doing it is good enough. For example,
> averting terrorism is a good goal, and if reducing people's privacy
> (even against existing laws) is necessary to do that, it's justified.
I agree with everything except for the "is justified" bit.
Passing constitutionally sound laws to do just that is fine. "I
violated the law to secure the country in the absence of a known threat
that is generally more benign than, say, a war" isn't.
--
If you ate pasta and antipasta, would you still be hungry?
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>>>>>>mue### [at] nawazorg<<<<<<
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Mueen Nawaz <m.n### [at] ieeeorg> wrote:
> Warp wrote:
> > I'd say it's more the classical principle of "the end justifies the
> > means". From the point of view of the gornment bending the law is
> > justified if the reason for doing it is good enough. For example,
> > averting terrorism is a good goal, and if reducing people's privacy
> > (even against existing laws) is necessary to do that, it's justified.
> I agree with everything except for the "is justified" bit.
I didn't say it's justified. I said that governments usually think it's
justified.
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- Warp
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