On Sat, 17 May 2008 20:37:42 +0200, "Gail Shaw"
<initialsurname@sentech sa dot com> wrote:

>I really like this extract. Could not have said it better....

If you had you could have been a consultant :)
I agree with both of your posts and I've worked for Accenture, IBM,
Origin and SAP as an external (read contractor). Some of their
consultants are good but most are just expensive with enormous chare
out rates. Me I'm a functional consultant, I try to create a system
that users can use but most of the time I write documentation that
ticks boxes for the project managers. But then I started on the shop
floor and am not very good at BS :)
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     Stephen

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Doctor John wrote:
> http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2008/pulpit_20080516_004925.html
> 
> On the principle that many of us seem to work as consultants, I thought
> Cringely's latest rant might be of interest

A ______ and his ______ soon are ______ .

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John

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Gail Shaw wrote:

> And those few who aren't clueless about the technologies are ignored by
> management and their opinions and advice discounted because "They're just
> programmers/syadmins/DBAs. The consultants cost a lot more and hence must be
> more knowledgeable."

Certainly the company I work for won't listen to a damn thing *I* say. 
But hey, I'm just the tea boy. I keep the servers running, but I don't 
really *know* anything about anything. It's not as if I spent 6 years of 
my life and tens of thousands of pounds in loans to study computing, or 
like I've been running these same systems for 5 consecutive years now, 
or anything like that...

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John VanSickle wrote:
> Doctor John wrote:
>> http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2008/pulpit_20080516_004925.html
>>
>> On the principle that many of us seem to work as consultants, I thought
>> Cringely's latest rant might be of interest
> 
> A ______ and his ______ soon are ______ .
> 
> Regards,
> John
Fool, money, parted?

John

-- 
I will be brief but not nearly so brief as Salvador Dali, who gave the
world's shortest speech. He said, "I will be so brief I am already
finished," then he sat down.

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How did a fool and his money *get* together in the first place??

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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> How did a fool and his money *get* together in the first place??
> 

The fool's father died.

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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> How did a fool and his money *get* together in the first place??
> 
He inherited it from a distant relative :-)

John

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I will be brief but not nearly so brief as Salvador Dali, who gave the
world's shortest speech. He said, "I will be so brief I am already
finished," then he sat down.

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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Gail Shaw wrote:
> 
>> And those few who aren't clueless about the technologies are ignored by
>> management and their opinions and advice discounted because "They're just
>> programmers/syadmins/DBAs. The consultants cost a lot more and hence
>> must be
>> more knowledgeable."
> 
> Certainly the company I work for won't listen to a damn thing *I* say.
> But hey, I'm just the tea boy. I keep the servers running, but I don't
> really *know* anything about anything. It's not as if I spent 6 years of
> my life and tens of thousands of pounds in loans to study computing, or
> like I've been running these same systems for 5 consecutive years now,
> or anything like that...
> 
As usual, Gail has said nothing with which I can disagree.(I'm not
damning with faint praise, I just couldn't think of a way of phrasing it
better)

The effect of these (mis)management decisions is demonstrated by
Invisible. Totally demoralised, he's a prime candidate for poaching by a
competitor that values its employees' knowledge, expertise and
commitment more. I suspect that even if the idiots he works for were to
double his salary he'd still be looking for another job

John

-- 
I will be brief but not nearly so brief as Salvador Dali, who gave the
world's shortest speech. He said, "I will be so brief I am already
finished," then he sat down.

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Doctor John wrote:

> The effect of these (mis)management decisions is demonstrated by
> Invisible. Totally demoralised, he's a prime candidate for poaching by a
> competitor that values its employees' knowledge, expertise and
> commitment more. I suspect that even if the idiots he works for were to
> double his salary he'd still be looking for another job

To quote Team America, "**** YEAH!"

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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> How did a fool and his money *get* together in the first place??

We call it taxation.

Regards,
John

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