How do you pronounce "cout << 5" in english? If you were to read that 
statement over the phone to someone, what would you say? Obviously not 
"cout logical-shift-left 5".  Would you really say "count 
operator-less-than-less-than five"?

Incidentally, I think C# does a good job of unifying the benefits of 
printf-style formating with the benefits of C++-style formatting. Of 
course, it means that everything you want to print actually has to be an 
object and you have to be able to look up routines at runtime, so it has 
an efficiency aspect compared to the C++ method. But there's actually a 
number of layers of formatting control going on there, all of which the 
user can override in particular classes as well as doing the
"cout << hex() << 29" sort of per-class custom formatting controls.

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I have no idea if there's a `proper' convention for that or not, but I 
generally treat "cout" as a verb and would just say "cout five".

Darren New wrote:
> How do you pronounce "cout << 5" in english? If you were to read that 
> statement over the phone to someone, what would you say? Obviously not 
> "cout logical-shift-left 5".  Would you really say "count 
> operator-less-than-less-than five"?
> 
> Incidentally, I think C# does a good job of unifying the benefits of 
> printf-style formating with the benefits of C++-style formatting. Of 
> course, it means that everything you want to print actually has to be an 
> object and you have to be able to look up routines at runtime, so it has 
> an efficiency aspect compared to the C++ method. But there's actually a 
> number of layers of formatting control going on there, all of which the 
> user can override in particular classes as well as doing the
> "cout << hex() << 29" sort of per-class custom formatting controls.
>

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Darren New wrote:
> How do you pronounce "cout << 5" in english?

I have a better question:

How do you pronounce "fib = 1 : 1 : zipWith (*) fib (tail fib)" in such 
a way that

1. the person hearing you will know exactly which expression you're 
describing, and

2. it takes less than 20 minutes to say it

??

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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Darren New wrote:
>> How do you pronounce "cout << 5" in english?
> 
> I have a better question:
> 
> How do you pronounce "fib = 1 : 1 : zipWith (*) fib (tail fib)" in such 
> a way that
> 
> 1. the person hearing you will know exactly which expression you're 
> describing, and

I'd say
fib equals one colon one colon zipwith operator star fib paren tail fib 
end paren.

Here's something I want to know...
    What's a rhetorical question?

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     "That's pretty. Where's that?"
          "It's the Age of Channelwood."
     "We should go there on vacation some time."

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Assuming the person I'm talking to knows something of C++, I would probably 
say it like:
see-out five.

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Darren New wrote:
> Here's something I want to know...
>    What's a rhetorical question?

Don't you think the self-referentiality of that is a bit obvious?


On a serious note, I chuckled at it and will add it to my mental list of 
geek jokes.

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On Tue, 13 May 2008 15:00:24 -0700, Darren New wrote:

> Here's something I want to know...
>     What's a rhetorical question?

Assuming you're not asking rhetorically, it's one that's eloquent or with 
intent to pursuade.  Also a question phrased as "a literary exercise".  
"Of, belonging to, concerned with, or comprised in the art of rhetoric." 
or "Of persons: Given to the use of rhetoric.". :-)

Zaphod (Head 1):  "Why are my heads asking each other rhetorical 
questions?"

Zaphod (Head 2):  "Oh, were they rhetorical?"

Jim

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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> How do you pronounce "cout << 5" in english?

  You don't.

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Darren New wrote:
> How do you pronounce "cout << 5" in english? If you were to read that 
> statement over the phone to someone, what would you say? Obviously not 
> "cout logical-shift-left 5".  Would you really say "count 
> operator-less-than-less-than five"?

If the person at the other end of the phone is a C++ guru, you could 
probably say "c out five", and they would understand that the streaming 
operator belongs there.

Regards,
JOhn

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On Wed, 14 May 2008 12:44:39 +0200, Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
> Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
>> How do you pronounce "cout << 5" in english?
>
>   You don't.

While I personally try to avoid absolutes, I do agree with Warp here. What  
is this obsession some people have with speaking code out loud? If the  
other person is too far away for direct communication, send the code in an  
e-mail or IM. If he is close enough for face-to-face conversation, show  
him whatever device you yourself are reading the code from.


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FE

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