> But then there should be a procedure by which a citizen can challenge
> the blocking (blockage?) of a certain web site, and have that decided by
> a committee (which could ultimately be taken to a court of law).

Yep, there should be, but again in practise it's not really going to work. 
It could take weeks or months to go through that process, and websites can 
change their content continuously.  By the time some review comes up, the 
content could have changed, which un-blocks it anyway, or after some ruling 
the content could change again which then blocks it again.

Better to just fine-tune the blocking policies as time goes on and live with 
a few border-line sites that are classified incorrectly.

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> "The Finnish police have added Finnish hacker Matti Nikki's website 

> child porn filter"
>
> OK, If I were Finnish and if the law is going to do illegal stuff like 
> this coz is convenient and start dictatorship bull shit, I'd stick to 
> Judas Priest song: Breaking The Law.

I don't think many people would link blocking a website called "childporn" 
to starting a dictatorship - get some perspective!

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On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 10:45:26 -0000, "Phil Cook"
<phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:


>>> Tcch it's the government - they give you something then take it away  
>>> from you.
>>
>> And they will expect you to pay for the privilege :)
>


Are you training for bank work? :)

Regards
	Stephen

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And lo on Thu, 14 Feb 2008 11:02:33 -0000, scott <sco### [at] laptopcom> did  
spake, saying:

>> But then there should be a procedure by which a citizen can challenge
>> the blocking (blockage?) of a certain web site, and have that decided by
>> a committee (which could ultimately be taken to a court of law).
>
> Yep, there should be, but again in practise it's not really going to  
> work. It could take weeks or months to go through that process, and  
> websites can change their content continuously.  By the time some review  
> comes up, the content could have changed, which un-blocks it anyway, or  
> after some ruling the content could change again which then blocks it  
> again.
>
> Better to just fine-tune the blocking policies as time goes on and live  
> with a few border-line sites that are classified incorrectly.

Had a site blocked quite some time ago. Apparently someone with  
foo-bar.co.uk was up to no good and got blocked, and for good measure they  
blocked us at foobar.co.uk. This despite the fact the names were  
registered under different identities, in different parts of the country,  
by different ISPs, several years apart; all of which was shown quite  
clearly via a WHOIS. They didn't bother to send us a notification, they  
didn't bother to send our hosting ISP a notification they just blocked it.  
We all wondered why we were getting bounced. Took about a month to sort  
out IIRC.

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Phil Cook

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http://flipc.blogspot.com

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And lo on Thu, 14 Feb 2008 11:14:16 -0000, Stephen <mcavoysATaolDOTcom>  
did spake, saying:

> On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 10:45:26 -0000, "Phil Cook"
> <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
>
>
>>>> Tcch it's the government - they give you something then take it away
>>>> from you.
>>>
>>> And they will expect you to pay for the privilege :)
>>

>
> Are you training for bank work? :)




limit' :-)

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Phil Cook

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http://flipc.blogspot.com

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On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 11:23:52 -0000, "Phil Cook"
<phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:

>



>limit' :-)

Now you know why they won't let me work in a bank. Well one of the reasons :)

Regards
	Stephen

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scott <sco### [at] laptopcom> wrote:
> If an ISP ended up blocking a few legal websites, through their process of 
> blocking thousands of illegal ones, I'm sure that would be ok too.

  Yeah, yeah, the end justifies the means.

  The police having free control over what gets censored and what doesn't,
independently of whether censoring something is legal or not, and without
anyone watching over the process, ie. in other words the police can break
the law without consequences, is one sign of a police state.

  Who watches the police so that they don't break the law in this matter?
Nobody.

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Mueen Nawaz <m.n### [at] ieeeorg> wrote:
> Warp wrote:
> >   The biggest problem of all: Nobody cares. The end justifies the means.

>         (Welcome to the US)

  I believe in the US they are much stricter about respecting people's
constitutional rights than here. In the US the constitution is something
officials *must* obey. Here the constitution is little more than just a
set of suggested recommendations.

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On 14 Feb 2008 06:37:57 -0500, Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:

>Mueen Nawaz <m.n### [at] ieeeorg> wrote:
>> Warp wrote:
>> >   The biggest problem of all: Nobody cares. The end justifies the means.
>
>>         (Welcome to the US)
>
>  I believe in the US they are much stricter about respecting people's
>constitutional rights than here. In the US the constitution is something
>officials *must* obey. Here the constitution is little more than just a
>set of suggested recommendations.

At least you have a constitution in the UK we don't, well not a written one.

Regards
	Stephen

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Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 06:04:15 -0500, Warp wrote:

> > So finally Finland is going down the same route as China.
> >   Let's see how it escalates in the future.
> > 
> > http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/
> Finnish_internet_censorship_critic_blacklisted
> > http://www.effi.org/julkaisut/tiedotteet/lehdistotiedote-2008-02-12-
> en.html

> Hmmm, blog much, Warp?  <scnr>

  I consider this to be a concerning global phenomenon (as Finland is
certainly not the only country which is planning on increasing censorship),
not an event in my personal life.

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